Article - Expansion and Growth (part 3)

[lumberjack]

Sam Storms has a unique critique of Covenant Creation in his latest article on his site.

thereignofchrist.com/expansion-and-growth-part-3/

Sam exposes the full preterists foundational hermeneutical law of scripture being only applied to the immediate audience. Is he correct in the conclusion that Jesus' Lordship is compromised according to full preterists doctrine ?
Will the earth ever be " filled with the Glory of the Lord "?

Allyn, I am self taught on these things so I appreciate any help I can get. Thanks, Joel

[Allyn]

Lumberjack,
Can you try and correct the link?

[Allyn]

Thanks, LJ

I am reading the article but I would like to comment on one of Sam's statements. He said:
" Full Preterism which places the “growth” of the kingdom wholly in the past."

Maybe some in preterism do this and maybe Sam rubbed elbows with only those people, but I do no accept that as what Full preterists do. I believe that the kingdom of God was introduced during Christ's ministry as predicted in Daniel 2 from the vision of the little stone which grows. The ministry of the kingdom had for its elements first and foremost a time of preparing for it. It was going to come on a certain Day but it was not yet manifested during the 40 years prior to that manifestation. Its elements included:
1) working it out in fear and trembling
2) discarding the parts of the body that offended the whole body so that the rest of the body could be saved
3) To prepare its branches through the laying of a sound foundation.
To consider yourself as the least in the kingdom.
4) regard yourself in its proper perspective since each individual is given his own measure of faith.

This partial list has developed for me the fact that the growth of the kingdom was not what was at issue during the time before it came fully in, which was when Jesus handed it over to the Father. What was completed in the past, howeve,r was its establishment and its work in individuals who were counted as part of Christ's church. The kingdom of God never stops growing. Each generation dies and is replaced by another. In each generation is the growth of the kingdom. Heaven naturally gains more and more redeemed souls as each generation passes. There is no predicted end to this whatsoever.

[JLVaughn]

Mar 20, 2011 9:21:48 GMT -5 lumberjack said:

Sam Storms has a unique critique of Covenant Creation in his latest article on his site.

thereignofchrist.com/expansion-and-growth-part-3/

Sam exposes the full preterists foundational hermeneutical law of scripture being only applied to the immediate audience. Is he correct in the conclusion that Jesus' Lordship is compromised according to full preterists doctrine ?
Will the earth ever be " filled with the Glory of the Lord "?

Allyn, I am self taught on these things so I appreciate any help I can get. Thanks, Joel

Joel,

Last post before I head out the door. Sam Frost still misrepresents Covenant Creation.

To short cut this, many Full Preterists, unlike the Dispensationalists, cut biblical cosmogeny and cosmology from its moorings by introducing Covenant Creationism. That is, Gn 1 is not talking about planet earth at all. It is, instead, speaking of historic Israel.

Frost has told dozens, maybe hundreds of people that Covenant Creation teaches that the events of Genesis 1 occurred at Sinai. He has ignored our explicit comments and corrections that the events of Genesis 1 occurred either before or at the same time as the events of Genesis 2, which was before the events of Genesis 3, which was a few thousand years before Sinai.

Since Sam starts with that critical, false assumption, he will certainly have a unique critique, uniquely irrelevant to anything we teach.

Much of what Sam wrote in that article outright contradicts what he wrote just a month or to ago. No reference to that history. No discussion as to why he changed his mind. No apology for falsely claiming that his recent view was absolute logical Truth.

There is no profit in answering Sam's latest song. He changed key twice in this one and will soon be singing another off key tune.

I'll point out Sam's one consistent point through all of this. Sam believes that the prophecies concerning the marriage ceremony of the Lamb should have on going fulfillment. He thinks that the marriage ceremony is the be-all-end-all. He thinks that a married couple, going about and doing what married couples do, somehow requires continued prophecy. Sam is ultimately arguing against the view that Christ and the Church are now married.