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Post by lumberjack on Mar 7, 2011 9:33:19 GMT -5
Sam Frost posted this article on The Reign of Christ site ( http://the reignofchrist.com/dealing-with-error/# ).
I found the article very informative in his analysis of the half-truths of full preterism. I am wondering if his " conversion " has made any of you FP's take a second look at what you believe.
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Post by JLVaughn on Mar 7, 2011 15:33:46 GMT -5
Sam Frost posted this article on The Reign of Christ site ( http://the reignofchrist.com/dealing-with-error/# ). I found the article very informative in his analysis of the half-truths of full preterism. I am wondering if his " conversion " has made any of you FP's take a second look at what you believe. Joel, In this quote, Sam admits that he is a "non-academic sort." Contrast this to his comments over the previous 19 years. What has happened is that a few non-academic sorts have taken these and ran them through a supposed “consistency” language-game. What they came out with, and what I came out with, was something that re-invented Christianity. Sam's comments about vicious fighting are certainly true. He has been at the heart of it for the entire 8 years I've been an internet preterist. Sam made the division with us Covenant Creationists a full 5 years before he ever heard of Covenant Creation and a full 4 years before I coined the term. (Not because I believed it, but because it was an obvious area that needed to be looked at and needed a name to distinguish it from physical creation.) So Sam admits that we were right all along. Preterism requires a belief in Covenant Creation. Thanks Sam. |
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Post by Once4all on Mar 7, 2011 15:38:18 GMT -5
Sam Frost posted this article on The Reign of Christ site ( http://the reignofchrist.com/dealing-with-error/# ). I found the article very informative in his analysis of the half-truths of full preterism. I am wondering if his " conversion " has made any of you FP's take a second look at what you believe. The article: thereignofchrist.com/dealing-with-error/I read the article and didn't really see much in the way of analysis of anything. It seemed to be mostly opinion about how he now views full preterism. Can you pull out an example of his analysis from the article that we could comment on? |
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Post by lumberjack on Mar 7, 2011 21:45:04 GMT -5
Hi Jeff, glad to " see " you again. I enjoyed your debate with Roo. I figured he'd have his hands full. I've got some rock samples from the Mines, I think one is gunflint chert. I've also got ore samples from the Ropes and Michigan gold mines. I plan on diving the Michigan this summer. 270 feet to the bottom of the main shaft. 2 drifts, one at 50 ft. and 150 ft. Pray for me, it'll be solo. PM me your address and I'll send these rocks to you.
Now, on to FP. Is Allyn an FP if he doesn't buy C.C. ? ( just playing, Allyn )
Hi Once4all, thanks for the PM info.
Your question on analysis - opinion - critique , aren't they really all in the same box ? No, I didn't see any biblical exegesis going on in the article, but I could relate to extrusions caused by half truths. I've been involved with about 17 different denominations in the last 25 years and I can relate with his generalizations in this area. I've been in three that were exclusionary, meaning they believe that they alone are " saved ". Their doctrines are saturated with half truths.
I really believe that none of us has it " nailed ". Not on salvation nor on eschatology. But thru all the ordeals I have been thru in my life so far, God in His grace has put a gift of compassion in me when I had absolutely none. That then led to the reality that only his kingdom can bring mercy, a degree of peace ,healing and deliverance into the peoples and nations.
BTW, I have no idea on how to quote what someone has said here.
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Post by Once4all on Mar 7, 2011 23:03:46 GMT -5
Hi Once4all, thanks for the PM info. You're welcome! Your question on analysis - opinion - critique , aren't they really all in the same box ? True. I guess I was expecting something more concrete as to why he abandoned FP. I really believe that none of us has it " nailed ". Not on salvation nor on eschatology. I agree. And I'd add Christology to that list. BTW, I have no idea on how to quote what someone has said here. There are three links at the bottom right of each post. One of them is "Quote." It takes a little effort to break up the quotes, with replies underneath, as I've done here. It's a matter of copying/pasting the "quote author" tag that appears at the beginning of the quoted material, and being sure to close the quote with an end quote tag before typing your response. Alternatively, you can just scroll down and type your reply at the bottom of the entire quote. You can delete portions of the quoted material that you are not replying to, but if you do that without breaking the quote up into segments, it would be courteous to put some dots (i.e., ... ) to show where you've deleted portions. |
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Post by JLVaughn on Mar 7, 2011 23:51:03 GMT -5
Hi Jeff, glad to " see " you again. I enjoyed your debate with Roo. I figured he'd have his hands full. I've got some rock samples from the Mines, I think one is gunflint chert. I've also got ore samples from the Ropes and Michigan gold mines. I plan on diving the Michigan this summer. 270 feet to the bottom of the main shaft. 2 drifts, one at 50 ft. and 150 ft. Pray for me, it'll be solo. PM me your address and I'll send these rocks to you. Now, on to FP. Is Allyn an FP if he doesn't buy C.C. ? ( just playing, Allyn ) Joel, The oldest fossil life on earth? Can you send me a USPS priority box of the stuff? Where do I send a check? Sam Frost and Roderick Edwards will claim that Allyn isn't consistent. FP has been around for 40 years and we can't agree. CC has been around for 4. Let's see where we are when Allyn and I are in our nineties. |
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Post by Guest on Mar 8, 2011 2:33:44 GMT -5
Hi Once4all, thanks for the PM info. You're welcome! True. I guess I was expecting something more concrete as to why he abandoned FP. I agree. And I'd add Christology to that list. BTW, I have no idea on how to quote what someone has said here. There are three links at the bottom right of each post. One of them is "Quote." It takes a little effort to break up the quotes, with replies underneath, as I've done here. It's a matter of copying/pasting the "quote author" tag that appears at the beginning of the quoted material, and being sure to close the quote with an end quote tag before typing your response. Alternatively, you can just scroll down and type your reply at the bottom of the entire quote. You can delete portions of the quoted material that you are not replying to, but if you do that without breaking the quote up into segments, it would be courteous to put some dots (i.e., ... ) to show where you've deleted portions. Sorry to butt in here, but the proper "quote" button appears at the top right of each post. |
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Post by lumberjack on Mar 8, 2011 9:16:32 GMT -5
Jeff,
Melody said she can't get the fossil because they have it in a display case high up on a wall. I'll send what I have and try to get some more. Some in the lab collect unique pieces as they come thru. No need for money, thanks anyway.
Bev,
I'll work on the process, but I think I'll get Frankie to help me, she lives on the next " 40 " and is a computer tech wiz.
As to Sam Storms " seeing " preterism in a " new " way, maybe the Holy Spirit opened his eyes to some revelation of scriptures that he had never comprehended before. Isn't there something in the Word that says you can't understand some things unless the Spirit allows you to see them ?
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Post by Once4all on Mar 8, 2011 17:47:25 GMT -5
Sorry to butt in here, but the proper "quote" button appears at the top right of each post. Whoops! Thank you for the correction!  |
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Post by Guest on Mar 8, 2011 19:33:18 GMT -5
Sorry to butt in here, but the proper "quote" button appears at the top right of each post. Whoops! Thank you for the correction! No problem. Gald to be of service.  |
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