Post by MoGrace2U on Nov 16, 2008 19:35:35 GMT -5
Roaming over some blogs by DD Warren about Gary DeMar at Pretersite.com, I ran across the following statement in her defense of Jesus' abiding in a physical body as qualification for His being our perfect Mediator - ie. a human being. Which of course I agree with. The contradiction is that she doesn't seem able to see this is what He promised us - once the dead had been raised.
Now the Ortho position is apparently that when we die we become disembodied spirits in heaven. So rather than coming into this perfect state after death, we must enter into this imperfect state which would imply we are not still even human. Which makes me wonder if she thinks Christ can properly represent such immortal spirits?
In her reference to the First Adam above, there is a part she left off that concerns the Last Adam - that He was made a quickening spirit. This is how Christ can represent us perfectly whether we are in this physical realm or whether we are with Him in heaven - by the Spirit He has given us.
As she said, enfleshment is integral to being human. We are not to ever be without a body. As humans and not angels, we have no existence as disembodied spirits - nor has any man other than Christ, who was Spirit before He was made flesh. Without the body we are not living souls - we are dead souls. So while she is trying to refute what she considers Gnostic influences in full preterism, she apparently embraces this rather Gnostic idea of becoming "disembodied spiritual beings" herself.
The whole point of being born again in spirit is so that our spirit can be moved from this body into one that has been made like Christ's. His body is material and no doubt still composed of flesh and blood and bones just as it was before He died. It is not His body which changed its composition, it is the presence of His life in it that gives it its unique quality. But only Christ's body was without sin and corruption - while ours is contaminated with both. Therefore we need new bodies that are like His - one which has never been defiled by sin or death so that it can house this life of His that He has imparted to our spirit-soul.
She may not like this idea and considers it heretical but for the life of me I don't know why. Other than to her, being absent from this body to be present with the Lord, somehow neglects to expect that another tabernacle will be provided, or that it is too incredible to believe.
Why shouldn't we be able to put our faith in this hope for this promise which is what His coming into this earth was to provide?
Our salvation hope is that we will be made just like Him and live with Him forever!
If being Orthodox in their eyes requires I must share in their unbelief that they have now creedalized into a doctrine that they will not allow to be refuted, well what can I say except that truth is a far greater thing to base one's hope upon.
Enfleshment is an integral part of humanity - the perfect man. The First Adam was created as a being of flesh. How can Christ fully recover everything that the First Adam lost when He is no longer a proper representative of humanity?
Now the Ortho position is apparently that when we die we become disembodied spirits in heaven. So rather than coming into this perfect state after death, we must enter into this imperfect state which would imply we are not still even human. Which makes me wonder if she thinks Christ can properly represent such immortal spirits?
In her reference to the First Adam above, there is a part she left off that concerns the Last Adam - that He was made a quickening spirit. This is how Christ can represent us perfectly whether we are in this physical realm or whether we are with Him in heaven - by the Spirit He has given us.
As she said, enfleshment is integral to being human. We are not to ever be without a body. As humans and not angels, we have no existence as disembodied spirits - nor has any man other than Christ, who was Spirit before He was made flesh. Without the body we are not living souls - we are dead souls. So while she is trying to refute what she considers Gnostic influences in full preterism, she apparently embraces this rather Gnostic idea of becoming "disembodied spiritual beings" herself.
The whole point of being born again in spirit is so that our spirit can be moved from this body into one that has been made like Christ's. His body is material and no doubt still composed of flesh and blood and bones just as it was before He died. It is not His body which changed its composition, it is the presence of His life in it that gives it its unique quality. But only Christ's body was without sin and corruption - while ours is contaminated with both. Therefore we need new bodies that are like His - one which has never been defiled by sin or death so that it can house this life of His that He has imparted to our spirit-soul.
She may not like this idea and considers it heretical but for the life of me I don't know why. Other than to her, being absent from this body to be present with the Lord, somehow neglects to expect that another tabernacle will be provided, or that it is too incredible to believe.
Why shouldn't we be able to put our faith in this hope for this promise which is what His coming into this earth was to provide?
Our salvation hope is that we will be made just like Him and live with Him forever!
If being Orthodox in their eyes requires I must share in their unbelief that they have now creedalized into a doctrine that they will not allow to be refuted, well what can I say except that truth is a far greater thing to base one's hope upon.