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Post by mellontes on Jan 6, 2011 15:47:59 GMT -5
George, from Narrow Path Ministries ( theos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3504&p=45858#p45853), has asked the following question" " I am interested in how the Full Preterist interprets the separation of the "Sheeps and the Goats" and what does Mt. 25:46 mean to them." Hopefully, we will be able to help this gentleman with our own contributions or provide sources to other specific places. God bless! |
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Post by Allyn on Jan 6, 2011 16:02:37 GMT -5
George, from Narrow Path Ministries ( theos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3504&p=45858#p45853), has asked the following question" " I am interested in how the Full Preterist interprets the separation of the "Sheeps and the Goats" and what does Mt. 25:46 mean to them." Hopefully, we will be able to help this gentleman with our own contributions or provide sources to other specific places. God bless! I saw this over there but since I am one question behind to another person I didn't think it right I should be responding there until I got caught up. I don't know exactly how I would word it except to say that since I believe that Daniel's resurrection along with his people took place at that same time frame then the separation of the sheep and goats is a kingdom of God issue in which at that time the heavenly realm has finally applied the kingdom to those who have worked there way into it as opposed to those who are outside of the kingdom. Those outside remain outside and those who desired it received it. All of this was to settle the legal issue of the Law as completed in Christ at His second coming for salvation (Heb. 9:28). Now and forever the kingdom is not what we strive for as it was for those who worked out their own salvation but is now settled in the High court as completed and our sanctification and redemption is fully done for each who come to the saving knowledge of Christ. This will no doubt present problems in defending but most spiritual actions are hard to defend since it is not an observable thing. |
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Post by Michael J Loomis on Jan 8, 2011 13:24:40 GMT -5
George, from Narrow Path Ministries ( theos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3504&p=45858#p45853), has asked the following question" " I am interested in how the Full Preterist interprets the separation of the "Sheeps and the Goats" and what does Mt. 25:46 mean to them." Hopefully, we will be able to help this gentleman with our own contributions or provide sources to other specific places. God bless! I've personally been wondering as of late if the separating of the sheep and goats wasn't something that was directly tied to the spreading of the gospel. That the purpose of the gospel was to go out to all the nations...Sealing God's elect for his eschatalogical purposes. Those that accepted the good news were marked as sheep. Those that didn't were marked as goats(666). Just a thought |
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Post by Once4all on Jan 8, 2011 15:07:55 GMT -5
I relate the sheep and the goats of Matthew 25 to this passage in Matthew 7:
Matthew 7:21-23 NASB
(21) "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
(22) "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
(23) "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
In Matthew 7, he is speaking of those who call him Lord. And in Matthew 25, they also call him Lord ("Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger..."). Though they speak of two different kinds of works (Matthew 7—prophecy, miracles; Matthew 25—acts of brotherly love).
Both are descriptions of the judgment when each one will give an account of deeds done in the body:
2 Corinthians 5:10 NASB
(10) For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
Now, if you interpret the body as the body of Christ (or the new covenant body), then it is obvious that this judgment is of believers only. My personal opinion is that, regardless if it is the body of Christ or your individual bodies, it is still a judgment of believers only.
As for Matthew 25:46 –
(46) "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Just as the verse says, the goats—those believers who fail the judgment—will go into eternal punishment.
Now, I know Roo will call this a works salvation. Fine. It's what the scriptures say.
But what is salvation? What are we saved from? Death. The wages of sin is death. Regardless whether you receive eternal punishment or eternal life, you have been saved from death.
Your faith in Christ saves you from the punishment you deserve for your sin, the punishment of death. In that, you are saved by faith. But we must still face judgment.
This is part of counting the cost. You must carry your own cross and take responsibility for your own actions.
Luke 14:27-28 NASB
(27) "Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.
(28) "For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it?
Revelation 22:14 NASB
(14) Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.
This will most certainly rub the wrong way any who believe in the traditional view of OSAS. Oh well, it's my view and I'm sticking with it unless I am convinced otherwise. It is not without its problems, and I recognize that.
Now, I have a church bulletin to get published.
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