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Post by Allyn on Jan 5, 2011 16:36:53 GMT -5
God is not a person. God is a spirit. Three what? Three gods? Three persons? Three positions? Three titles? Father is not a name, Son is not a name, Holy Spirit is not a name. They are titles. I think a person can have thee titles. If a person can have titles, so can a spirit. I have three titles. I'm a son, a grand-son, a brother. But I am one, not three distinct persons.  didymus Please forgive me for being confused, but earlier I had asked you the question... " Is Jesus God"? and you replied... Not in the sense that the Father is God. The son is "God with us," because the Son has the Father in Him. Yet now you are saying that the same "Spirit" who is God has the titles Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It seems to be a play on words to me because if you say that the "three titles" are God then why did you say "Jesus is God but not in the sense the Father is God"? Wouldn't he be God like the Father in every sense? If not then how could he be just another manifestation of God? If the Son is only a manifestation of the Father then why do you say that he is God because the Father was in him? Was the Father in himself? Why did Jesus use the definite article for the three, why didn't he just say "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Also it seems to me that Metaphors like Jesus sitting at the right hand of the Father are completely useless if the Father and the Son are not distinct persons and especially if the Father and the Son are not persons but merely "A Spirit". Not to mention you must believe that the Word that was with God and was God is the Father with himself who also became flesh meaning he is the mediator of himself. As far as God is a Spirit, and not a person, well do you know a Father or a Son who are not persons. The titles Father and Son imply that God is a person if not then the titles are useless in showing us who God is. Man is flesh but man is also made in the image of God, and man is personal or a person. If God is not a person then in what sense is man made in his image?  Blessings WJ I'm sorry to announce it this way but Didymus has deleted his account and left. He PM'd me before doing so and I don't know if he even read my request for him to reconsider and not make a rash decision. Hopefully he will decide to return but he will need to open a new account because of the deletion of his old one. |
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Post by Morris on Jan 5, 2011 17:31:56 GMT -5
That's really too bad. I wonder why he'd do such a rash thing?
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Post by simplyforgiven on Jan 6, 2011 12:56:15 GMT -5
El Senor es Echad,
Shema Pueblo
If Jesus is NOT God what is he?
And if you respond immaturely and say "His Son"
than define that.
What is the "Son of God"
Human? Angel? begotten god? or what?
please explain
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Post by mellontes on Jan 6, 2011 13:22:30 GMT -5
El Senor es Echad, Shema Pueblo If Jesus is NOT God what is he? And if you respond immaturely and say "His Son" than define that. What is the "Son of God" Human? Angel? begotten god? or what? please explain There is no need to add immaturity to your questions. There are some people who sincerely believe what they do and are not acting out of immaturity. It also works in reverse. You may be immature in some of the things you believe but you would not consider them immature at all, right? Would it do any good to have someone else ask you a question and say, "Do not reply immaturely" if what you believed would be considered immature. It all depends upon which side of the fence one is looking from. Your words were inflammatory and unedifying. It is unlikely you shall receive a response...to me, that is immaturity. |
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Post by simplyforgiven on Jan 6, 2011 13:34:19 GMT -5
El Senor es Echad, Shema Pueblo If Jesus is NOT God what is he? And if you respond immaturely and say "His Son" than define that. What is the "Son of God" Human? Angel? begotten god? or what? please explain There is no need to add immaturity to your questions. There are some people who sincerely believe what they do and are not acting out of immaturity. It also works in reverse. You may be immature in some of the things you believe but you would not consider them immature at all, right? Would it do any good to have someone else ask you a question and say, "Do not reply immaturely" if what you believed would be considered immature. It all depends upon which side of the fence one is looking from. Your words were inflammatory and unedifying. It is unlikely you shall receive a response...to me, that is immaturity. Hi Mel, Your too Sensitive. If you took one word so personally than maybe you shouldnt respond to me much. You lack understanding from what forum i come from. and you DONT KNOW, how aggresive at times people are. maybe that rubbed off on me a bit, where i dont see how its insulting to write "immaturely" in other words, i dont want people to just respond and say "well he is the Son of God" and i agree, but WHAT IS THAT. which is the response i want. maybe you shouldnt be so quick to judge... and take the time to get to know me to see why and what are my intentions to my questions. Of course what you accuse me of, were not my intentions, but of course I understand why you would react like that because you do not know me, nor know my experiences in other forums. Anyways  |
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Post by simplyforgiven on Jan 6, 2011 13:37:30 GMT -5
Isnt that immature for you to respond to someone in such a way?
wouldnt you be guilty of also having words that are "inflammatory and unedifying" since you posted without any discernment?
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Post by Once4all on Jan 6, 2011 13:53:38 GMT -5
Enough with the immaturity accusations. Good grief. I cut my Christian forum teeth at CARM, I know how easy it is to ridicule the other person, even with one little word. I learned there that being insulting, inflammatory, and inconsiderate only leads to escalation of the same behavior and lots of complaining. It causes people who are normally pleasant by nature to mimic the cruel repartee of their attackers.
I ask that people leave their CARM-like selves at the door and enter in only with their Christ-like selves.
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Post by simplyforgiven on Jan 6, 2011 14:01:13 GMT -5
Enough with the immaturity accusations. Good grief. I cut my Christian forum teeth at CARM, I know how easy it is to ridicule the other person, even with one little word. I learned there that being insulting, inflammatory, and inconsiderate only leads to escalation of the same behavior and lots of complaining. It causes people who are normally pleasant by nature to mimic the cruel repartee of their attackers. I ask that people leave their CARM-like selves at the door and enter in only with their Christ-like selves. Agreed, Not a Problem, not that it was ever my intention to do so in the First place. |
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Post by Once4all on Jan 6, 2011 14:07:37 GMT -5
Enough with the immaturity accusations. Good grief. I cut my Christian forum teeth at CARM, I know how easy it is to ridicule the other person, even with one little word. I learned there that being insulting, inflammatory, and inconsiderate only leads to escalation of the same behavior and lots of complaining. It causes people who are normally pleasant by nature to mimic the cruel repartee of their attackers. I ask that people leave their CARM-like selves at the door and enter in only with their Christ-like selves. Agreed, Not a Problem, not that it was ever my intention to do so in the First place. Sometimes we do things out of habit rather than intention. I understand. |
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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 6, 2011 15:39:47 GMT -5
Enough with the immaturity accusations. Good grief. I cut my Christian forum teeth at CARM, I know how easy it is to ridicule the other person, even with one little word. I learned there that being insulting, inflammatory, and inconsiderate only leads to escalation of the same behavior and lots of complaining. It causes people who are normally pleasant by nature to mimic the cruel repartee of their attackers. I ask that people leave their CARM-like selves at the door and enter in only with their Christ-like selves. Agreed, Not a Problem, not that it was ever my intention to do so in the First place. SF, I would rather hang out here now rather than HN which is much like CARM. I have mellowed substantially since being here though I have a ways to go. Worshippingjesus (Keith) has invited me to come back to HN and I have invited him to come here. I told Keith that Preterist Voice (PV) is my home now though I will post briefly now and then at HN. Stick around and you will come to love the people here and they will bring out the best in you. KJ |
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Post by simplyforgiven on Jan 6, 2011 16:32:29 GMT -5
Agreed, Not a Problem, not that it was ever my intention to do so in the First place. SF, I would rather hang out here now rather than HN which is much like CARM. I have mellowed substantially since being here though I have a ways to go. Worshippingjesus (Keith) has invited me to come back to HN and I have invited him to come here. I told Keith that Preterist Voice (PV) is my home now though I will post briefly now and then at HN. Stick around and you will come to love the people here and they will bring out the best in you. KJ IGHT, We will see what happens homeboy, |
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Post by worshippingjesus on Jan 6, 2011 17:53:54 GMT -5
El Senor es Echad, Shema Pueblo If Jesus is NOT God what is he? And if you respond immaturely and say "His Son" than define that. What is the "Son of God" Human? Angel? begotten god? or what? please explain Hey Dennison Good to see you here. I don't see why the word "Immature" should have brought such a sharp response but then again I have been in the heat of debate at HN for a long time. What you said is very mild. Jesus himself endured much persecution and quite honestly was not always so gentle himself. For example the Temple experience and the use of hard words like vipers, whited sepulchres, hypocrites, wolves, etc. Paul said reprove and rebuke with all authority. But even so I think it is best to be harmless as doves and wise as serpents. It is good to see you here. Blessings Keith |
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Post by worshippingjesus on Jan 6, 2011 17:55:37 GMT -5
I'm sorry to announce it this way but Didymus has deleted his account and left. He PM'd me before doing so and I don't know if he even read my request for him to reconsider and not make a rash decision. Hopefully he will decide to return but he will need to open a new account because of the deletion of his old one. Wow, I hope I am not responsible for his leaving.  WJ |
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Post by Allyn on Jan 6, 2011 18:10:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry to announce it this way but Didymus has deleted his account and left. He PM'd me before doing so and I don't know if he even read my request for him to reconsider and not make a rash decision. Hopefully he will decide to return but he will need to open a new account because of the deletion of his old one. Wow, I hope I am not responsible for his leaving. WJ No one was responsible for it. |
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Post by worshippingjesus on Jan 6, 2011 18:34:42 GMT -5
Wow, I hope I am not responsible for his leaving. WJ No one was responsible for it.  |
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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 6, 2011 18:35:47 GMT -5
El Senor es Echad, Shema Pueblo If Jesus is NOT God what is he? And if you respond immaturely and say "His Son" than define that. What is the "Son of God" Human? Angel? begotten god? or what? please explain Hey Dennison Good to see you here. I don't see why the word "Immature" should have brought such a sharp response but then again I have been in the heat of debate at HN for a long time. What you said is very mild. Jesus himself endured much persecution and quite honestly was not always so gentle himself. For example the Temple experience and the use of hard words like vipers, whited sepulchres, hypocrites, wolves, etc. Paul said reprove and rebuke with all authority. But even so I think it is best to be harmless as doves and wise as serpents. It is good to see you here. Blessings Keith Hey Keith, Some here are a little too sensitive sometimes. I once posted that computer simulated "beating a dead horse" image and got called on the carpet for it. But when you used it at HN people got a kick out of it. Jack |
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Post by Allyn on Jan 6, 2011 19:18:35 GMT -5
Agreed, Not a Problem, not that it was ever my intention to do so in the First place. SF, I would rather hang out here now rather than HN which is much like CARM. I have mellowed substantially since being here though I have a ways to go. Worshippingjesus (Keith) has invited me to come back to HN and I have invited him to come here. I told Keith that Preterist Voice (PV) is my home now though I will post briefly now and then at HN. Stick around and you will come to love the people here and they will bring out the best in you. KJ What a nice thing to say - thank you much. |
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Post by Allyn on Jan 6, 2011 19:24:13 GMT -5
Hey Dennison Good to see you here. I don't see why the word "Immature" should have brought such a sharp response but then again I have been in the heat of debate at HN for a long time. What you said is very mild. Jesus himself endured much persecution and quite honestly was not always so gentle himself. For example the Temple experience and the use of hard words like vipers, whited sepulchres, hypocrites, wolves, etc. Paul said reprove and rebuke with all authority. But even so I think it is best to be harmless as doves and wise as serpents. It is good to see you here. Blessings Keith Hey Keith, Some here are a little too sensitive sometimes. I once posted that computer simulated "beating a dead horse" image and got called on the carpet for it. But when you used it at HN people got a kick out of it. Jack You could drag me through a corral of dead horses being beat and it probably wouldn't phase me much except unless you messed up my wranglers. |
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Post by simplyforgiven on Jan 7, 2011 0:59:41 GMT -5
El Senor es Echad, Shema Pueblo If Jesus is NOT God what is he? And if you respond immaturely and say "His Son" than define that. What is the "Son of God" Human? Angel? begotten god? or what? please explain Hey Dennison Good to see you here. I don't see why the word "Immature" should have brought such a sharp response but then again I have been in the heat of debate at HN for a long time. What you said is very mild. Jesus himself endured much persecution and quite honestly was not always so gentle himself. For example the Temple experience and the use of hard words like vipers, whited sepulchres, hypocrites, wolves, etc. Paul said reprove and rebuke with all authority. But even so I think it is best to be harmless as doves and wise as serpents. It is good to see you here. Blessings Keith Well WJ, When i used the word "immmature" maybe i should have used the word "Premature" or "Rash" or "Quick" answer instead. My Intention was for the Antrin to respond with a reasonable contention of "What is the Son of God, if you claim he is" more than just stating that he is the Son of God. You know me, My writing skills are not that great and I communicatoin through writing is too complicated. Im a better speaker than a Writer. I write the way I talk, but it seems my intentions arent so clear. Anyways, you know i dont show much pity nor much mercy for unreasonable responses from people who are too judgmental and sensitive. But you are totally Right. I have been quite Vicious lately, bad habit from HN. Help me be more humble, I need the change. And you know im more than willing to accept my faults unlike others. Lets Repent from HN. (though T8 is a GREAT moderator and host for HN, its certain posters within HN is what corrupting it) Anyways thx for the support, I always hoped since i started in the forums to have your friendship =) |
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Post by worshippingjesus on Jan 7, 2011 17:02:22 GMT -5
I always hoped since i started in the forums to have your friendship =) Dennison It is good to have your friendship. We may not always agree but we know who our Great God and Savour is!  Blessings WJ |
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Post by didymus on Jan 7, 2011 17:38:17 GMT -5
God is not a person. God is a spirit. Three what? Three gods? Three persons? Three positions? Three titles? Father is not a name, Son is not a name, Holy Spirit is not a name. They are titles. I think a person can have thee titles. If a person can have titles, so can a spirit. I have three titles. I'm a son, a grand-son, a brother. But I am one, not three distinct persons. didymus Please forgive me for being confused, but earlier I had asked you the question... " Is Jesus God"? and you replied... Not in the sense that the Father is God. The son is "God with us," because the Son has the Father in Him. Yet now you are saying that the same "Spirit" who is God has the titles Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It seems to be a play on words to me because if you say that the "three titles" are God then why did you say "Jesus is God but not in the sense the Father is God"? Wouldn't he be God like the Father in every sense? If not then how could he be just another manifestation of God? If the Son is only a manifestation of the Father then why do you say that he is God because the Father was in him? Was the Father in himself? Why did Jesus use the definite article for the three, why didn't he just say "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Also it seems to me that Metaphors like Jesus sitting at the right hand of the Father are completely useless if the Father and the Son are not distinct persons and especially if the Father and the Son are not persons but merely "A Spirit". Not to mention you must believe that the Word that was with God and was God is the Father with himself who also became flesh meaning he is the mediator of himself. As far as God is a Spirit, and not a person, well do you know a Father or a Son who are not persons. The titles Father and Son imply that God is a person if not then the titles are useless in showing us who God is. Man is flesh but man is also made in the image of God, and man is personal or a person. If God is not a person then in what sense is man made in his image? Blessings WJ Hey WJ, Now that I am in a better mood, I will finally address this. To understand my view of the trinity, you have to understand, "The Oneness Principle." Since I already have that here: www.livebytr.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=churchtalk&action=display&thread=721&page=1 I see no reason to re-write it here. Besides, it's rook night, and I don't have much time. |
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