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Post by Allyn on Oct 3, 2010 12:37:50 GMT -5
I have posted my rendition of the Countdown to the Kingdom at three discussion boards. The post has received some interesting comments and challenges. At Steve Gregg's discussion board, Steve really does not seem to like that I post over there, but other posters seem to be interested enough to comment and question my thesis. This is what I appreciate. But now I wonder if maybe I am having some impact on Steve Gregg too because in an unrelated post Steve compared me with himself and with a well known author as writing about Scripture but not having inspiration (which I agree with, by the way). In some ways this is a compliment to me and gives me some hope that we full-preterists are being listened to. Link to where Steve Gregg mentioned my name. theos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=3404&p=44707#p44700Link to the Countdown to the Kingdom thread theos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3398 |
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Post by Once4all on Oct 3, 2010 16:44:06 GMT -5
That first thread you linked to is interesting. I'll have to read it from the beginning if I get the chance to. I haven't looked at the other thread yet.
I don't know if "kaufmannphillips" wrote this, or if he was quoting it from another post, but it was in his post. I thought it a valid question:
"Would the apostles’ authorization to lead the church have transcended their passing, any more than David’s authorization would have? Would their every directive in first-century leadership remain authoritative for the twenty-first century church, any more than David’s every directive would remain authoritative for twenty-first century Jews?"
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Post by Allyn on Oct 3, 2010 16:48:52 GMT -5
That first thread you linked to is interesting. I'll have to read it from the beginning if I get the chance to. I haven't looked at the other thread yet. I don't know if "kaufmannphillips" wrote this, or if he was quoting it from another post, but it was in his post. I thought it a valid question: "Would the apostles’ authorization to lead the church have transcended their passing, any more than David’s authorization would have? Would their every directive in first-century leadership remain authoritative for the twenty-first century church, any more than David’s every directive would remain authoritative for twenty-first century Jews?"I thought that was a good statement. |
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Post by didymus on Oct 4, 2010 15:23:22 GMT -5
That first thread you linked to is interesting. I'll have to read it from the beginning if I get the chance to. I haven't looked at the other thread yet. I don't know if "kaufmannphillips" wrote this, or if he was quoting it from another post, but it was in his post. I thought it a valid question: "Would the apostles’ authorization to lead the church have transcended their passing, any more than David’s authorization would have? Would their every directive in first-century leadership remain authoritative for the twenty-first century church, any more than David’s every directive would remain authoritative for twenty-first century Jews?"I don't know about the authority of the apostles, but their words certainly transcended their passing. The apostles never really had authority of their own, as they were under the authority of Christ. Therefore, their directives were also the directives of Christ. No doubt you'll want to know what I base that on. The Lord's prayer in John 17. In verse 14, Jesus said, "I have given them Your word..." And in verse 20 Jesus said, "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word." - Scripture quotes from the NKJV. Jesus gave the apostles the word of God. And He prayed for those that would believe in Him based on the words of the apostles. Doesn't that include us?  |
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Post by Guest on Oct 5, 2010 10:52:37 GMT -5
The Lord's prayer in John 17. In verse 14, Jesus said, "I have given them Your word..." And in verse 20 Jesus said, "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word." - Scripture quotes from the NKJV. Jesus gave the apostles the word of God. And He prayed for those that would believe in Him based on the words of the apostles. Doesn't that include us? No. |
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Post by didymus on Oct 5, 2010 11:17:46 GMT -5
The Lord's prayer in John 17. In verse 14, Jesus said, "I have given them Your word..." And in verse 20 Jesus said, "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word." - Scripture quotes from the NKJV. Jesus gave the apostles the word of God. And He prayed for those that would believe in Him based on the words of the apostles. Doesn't that include us? No. Why not? How else do we believe if not based on the words of the apostles?  |
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Post by MoGrace2U on Oct 5, 2010 13:17:42 GMT -5
Don't you just love these drive by posters who seem intent to impugn the record of the word of God that we have? If the prophets can still speak to us, why can't the apostles? Does not the word of God go forth to accomplish the thing for which it is sent? It is the hearing of the gospel by the power in that living word that converts the hearts of men. It is why it is called the word of life, waters of life, dew from heaven, etc.
If the word of the Lord planted in them can die with the apostles - to whom was given the gospel of eternal life, then how is it to live in us?
Those who say such things have no idea what it is they are denying.
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Post by didymus on Oct 6, 2010 6:10:33 GMT -5
"Drive by poster." I like that. Do you think that "drive by poster" will be back, or are they too chicken. |
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