Post by didymus on Aug 24, 2010 19:45:24 GMT -5
I think the atoning work of Christ is still an important issue to discuss and to be understood by Christians. If it was not for the atoning work of Christ, Christianity wouldn't exist.
As you read the following , keep in mind, that Jesus was the Word made flesh. Certainly, a part of the Word made flesh was the Law. And, Scripture teaches that Christ kept the Law for us. And He kept the Law perfectly. That being the case, I do not think it's a stretch to believe that Christ followed the Law when it comes to atonement.
For most of my life I have believed, as many people do, that Christ completed His word of atonement at the cross. But, recently I have studied it, and have come to the conclusion that Kangaroo Jack is right.
Let me set it up this way. At the cross, Jesus was the sacrificial lamb. I think that is pretty much a given. After His resurrection, He became our our High Priest. And when He ascended into heaven, He did exactly what Roo said he did. He went to the Father and carried out His High Priestly duties.
Hebrews 9.11-28, NASB:
- Biblegateway.com
It seems plain, based on verse 11 as high priest entered the greater more perfect tabernacle not of this creation. Verse 12 states that He entered the holy place "once for all" having obtained eternal redemption. He had to obtain eternal redemption Himself so He could act as our High Priest. And, if you look at verse 14, there is your answer for a clean conscience.
Now I want to jump to verse 23. The writer tells us it was necessary for the "copies" of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with the blood of the animal sacrifices. Verse 24, for Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one. The true one being in Heaven. I do believe Roo made the point that the physical tabernacle was but a copy of the heavenly tabernacle. I think verse 24 is a key to understanding this. It tells us the Jesus went into Heaven itself "to appear in the presence of God for us." Now why is that important? Is it not true that only the high priest could go into the holy of holies? And why is that? Because God was in the holy of holies, and only the high priest could go into the presence of God. This tells us that Christ went in to the presence of God to do His duty as High Priest. Now the high priest went in to the holy of holies year after year with blood not his own. But Christ went in to the presence of God with His own blood. And because Christ was a perfect sacrifice, He did not have to go into the Holy of Holies year after year, for if He did , as the text tells us, He would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world.
Now, there is a reason I am using the New American Standard, instead of my normal use of the New King James. It is because of the latter half of verse 26, which says, "but now once at the consummation of the ages, He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself."
I would like to get into a bit of preterism here. The reason I used the NASB is the word, "consummation." The Greek word is "sunteleia." There is more to this word than a simple ending. It indicates bringing everything to an appointed climax. In English, consummation indicates something being consummated, such as a marriage.
So often, when I discussed fulfilled prophecy with people, I would get all kinds of questions that I could not answer. Now I have an answer to one of them. When did the marriage of the lamb take place? My unintelligent answer was always 70AD. Now my intelligent answer is 70AD. And if it weren't for Roo bringing this subject in to this discussion, I probably would not have studied this, then I would not have discovered what I'm about to share with you.
The sequence of events goes like this, starting with the crucifixion. Christ was crucified, he was buried, and he was raised from the dead. Then he spent 40 days with His disciples, and of course, the Marys. He continued to teach them about the kingdom. Then He ascended into heaven to carry out His duty as a the High Priest, and in the presence of God the Father did the spiritual cleansing and purification, just as Roo has been telling us. But, who did he do this for? Not Himself. He did this as intercessor "for us." Or, to be more precise, for His bride. And when the temple was destroyed, that was a sign that God had finalized His divorce from Israel. Then, immediately after the tribulation of those days, Christ came to consummate His marriage to His bride. And God the Father gave eternal life as a wedding gift. And then in Rev. 21.9, the best man introduced the bride to John as the wife of the lamb. Thus the marriage to the lamb was consummated in 70AD. You might say, from the ascension to 70AD was the betrothal period.
Have a blessed day, for we are the wife of the Lamb.
Now, it's your turn.
As you read the following , keep in mind, that Jesus was the Word made flesh. Certainly, a part of the Word made flesh was the Law. And, Scripture teaches that Christ kept the Law for us. And He kept the Law perfectly. That being the case, I do not think it's a stretch to believe that Christ followed the Law when it comes to atonement.
For most of my life I have believed, as many people do, that Christ completed His word of atonement at the cross. But, recently I have studied it, and have come to the conclusion that Kangaroo Jack is right.
Let me set it up this way. At the cross, Jesus was the sacrificial lamb. I think that is pretty much a given. After His resurrection, He became our our High Priest. And when He ascended into heaven, He did exactly what Roo said he did. He went to the Father and carried out His High Priestly duties.
Hebrews 9.11-28, NASB:
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
16 For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it.
17 For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives.
18 Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood.
19 For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,
20 saying, "THIS IS THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHICH GOD COMMANDED YOU."
21 And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood.
22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
23 Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
25 nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.
26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
16 For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it.
17 For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives.
18 Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood.
19 For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,
20 saying, "THIS IS THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHICH GOD COMMANDED YOU."
21 And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood.
22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
23 Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
25 nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.
26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
- Biblegateway.com
It seems plain, based on verse 11 as high priest entered the greater more perfect tabernacle not of this creation. Verse 12 states that He entered the holy place "once for all" having obtained eternal redemption. He had to obtain eternal redemption Himself so He could act as our High Priest. And, if you look at verse 14, there is your answer for a clean conscience.
Now I want to jump to verse 23. The writer tells us it was necessary for the "copies" of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with the blood of the animal sacrifices. Verse 24, for Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one. The true one being in Heaven. I do believe Roo made the point that the physical tabernacle was but a copy of the heavenly tabernacle. I think verse 24 is a key to understanding this. It tells us the Jesus went into Heaven itself "to appear in the presence of God for us." Now why is that important? Is it not true that only the high priest could go into the holy of holies? And why is that? Because God was in the holy of holies, and only the high priest could go into the presence of God. This tells us that Christ went in to the presence of God to do His duty as High Priest. Now the high priest went in to the holy of holies year after year with blood not his own. But Christ went in to the presence of God with His own blood. And because Christ was a perfect sacrifice, He did not have to go into the Holy of Holies year after year, for if He did , as the text tells us, He would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world.
Now, there is a reason I am using the New American Standard, instead of my normal use of the New King James. It is because of the latter half of verse 26, which says, "but now once at the consummation of the ages, He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself."
I would like to get into a bit of preterism here. The reason I used the NASB is the word, "consummation." The Greek word is "sunteleia." There is more to this word than a simple ending. It indicates bringing everything to an appointed climax. In English, consummation indicates something being consummated, such as a marriage.
So often, when I discussed fulfilled prophecy with people, I would get all kinds of questions that I could not answer. Now I have an answer to one of them. When did the marriage of the lamb take place? My unintelligent answer was always 70AD. Now my intelligent answer is 70AD. And if it weren't for Roo bringing this subject in to this discussion, I probably would not have studied this, then I would not have discovered what I'm about to share with you.
The sequence of events goes like this, starting with the crucifixion. Christ was crucified, he was buried, and he was raised from the dead. Then he spent 40 days with His disciples, and of course, the Marys. He continued to teach them about the kingdom. Then He ascended into heaven to carry out His duty as a the High Priest, and in the presence of God the Father did the spiritual cleansing and purification, just as Roo has been telling us. But, who did he do this for? Not Himself. He did this as intercessor "for us." Or, to be more precise, for His bride. And when the temple was destroyed, that was a sign that God had finalized His divorce from Israel. Then, immediately after the tribulation of those days, Christ came to consummate His marriage to His bride. And God the Father gave eternal life as a wedding gift. And then in Rev. 21.9, the best man introduced the bride to John as the wife of the lamb. Thus the marriage to the lamb was consummated in 70AD. You might say, from the ascension to 70AD was the betrothal period.
Have a blessed day, for we are the wife of the Lamb.
Now, it's your turn.
