Post by MoGrace2U on Jul 5, 2010 15:16:27 GMT -5
Been listening to an interview between Gene Cook and Dee Dee Warren - pretty much typical anti-hyperpreterist stuff. But she seems to think she has crucial evidence that full preterists are denying Christ (while claiming belief in His resurrection), by holding to the verse that says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven for proof that a 'spiritual resurrection' occurred in 70AD.
1 Cor 15:50 - Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Her reasoning goes like this - that according to this passage we must insist that Jesus did not ascend in the flesh, which in turn denies His coming in the flesh (again?) which marks us as heretics - because it means He is no longer in the flesh - and qualifies for this charge from John:
1 John 4:2 - Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 John 4:3 - And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
But such reasoning is born of her own flawed literalism, cause I don't think I have heard any preterist say such things at all.
Flesh and blood has various connotations in scripture. It stands as a term referring to mankind in contrast to God in Matthew:
Mat 16:17 - And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
It also is contrasted with spiritual entities - principalities and powers (Eph 6:12), and it has a familial connotation of brethren as Paul used it in Gal 1:15,16.
But I think the passage in 1 Cor 15 is more about the fact that a spiritual birth is the requirement for entrance into the kingdom of heaven and is therefore not about our physical body - nor Jesus' ascension in His resurrected flesh and bone body (by which He proves He is not a spirit).
In other words, it is not our natural birth that determines anything - there is no preferred genealogical descent that makes us brethren of Christ and children of God. That is the flesh and blood that has no basis for its inheritance in the kingdom of God. It is not about the body of Jesus nor about a flesh and blood body that must rise from the dead.
Which of course, is why these 'part-prets' don't understand us in the first place because for them the flesh is everything!
1 Cor 15:50 - Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Her reasoning goes like this - that according to this passage we must insist that Jesus did not ascend in the flesh, which in turn denies His coming in the flesh (again?) which marks us as heretics - because it means He is no longer in the flesh - and qualifies for this charge from John:
1 John 4:2 - Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 John 4:3 - And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
But such reasoning is born of her own flawed literalism, cause I don't think I have heard any preterist say such things at all.
Flesh and blood has various connotations in scripture. It stands as a term referring to mankind in contrast to God in Matthew:
Mat 16:17 - And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
It also is contrasted with spiritual entities - principalities and powers (Eph 6:12), and it has a familial connotation of brethren as Paul used it in Gal 1:15,16.
But I think the passage in 1 Cor 15 is more about the fact that a spiritual birth is the requirement for entrance into the kingdom of heaven and is therefore not about our physical body - nor Jesus' ascension in His resurrected flesh and bone body (by which He proves He is not a spirit).
In other words, it is not our natural birth that determines anything - there is no preferred genealogical descent that makes us brethren of Christ and children of God. That is the flesh and blood that has no basis for its inheritance in the kingdom of God. It is not about the body of Jesus nor about a flesh and blood body that must rise from the dead.
Which of course, is why these 'part-prets' don't understand us in the first place because for them the flesh is everything!
