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Post by mellontes on Jul 1, 2010 21:24:14 GMT -5
I have heard many preterists say this is so. I am trying to find the verses to support such a view but alas, I cannot...
The planet Earth may very well last forever, but for me to dogmatically believe that, I would need Scripturally support.
What are the references please?
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Post by Once4all on Jul 1, 2010 23:44:12 GMT -5
Here are some possibilities:
A generation goes and a generation comes, But the earth remains forever.
(Ecclesiastes 1:4 NASB)
He established the earth upon its foundations, So that it will not totter forever and ever.
(Psalms 104:5 NASB)
And He built His sanctuary like the heights, Like the earth which He has founded forever.
(Psalms 78:69 NASB)
But then this one contradicts them:
Psalms 102:25-26 NASB
(25) "Of old You founded the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
(26) "Even they will perish, but You endure; And all of them will wear out like a garment; Like clothing You will change them and they will be changed.
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Post by Morris on Jul 2, 2010 9:07:07 GMT -5
Don't forget that "forever" was also used in conjunction with statutes and ordinances of the law.
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Post by mellontes on Jul 2, 2010 9:57:26 GMT -5
Bev, I highly doubt that the earth in those verses has anything to do with the planet Earth, since it hadn't even gotten its name yet...OT writers never spoke GLOBALLY.
I am surprised no one mentioned Ephesians 3:31. It was used in one of my first preterist books to "prove" that the planet would never end. He was wrong.
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Post by Once4all on Jul 2, 2010 12:12:01 GMT -5
Bev, I highly doubt that the earth in those verses has anything to do with the planet Earth, since it hadn't even gotten its name yet...OT writers never spoke GLOBALLY. Maybe. Maybe not. I just did a search and posted what I found. I am surprised no one mentioned Ephesians 3:31. ... Probably because there is no Ephesians 3:31. |
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Post by mellontes on Jul 2, 2010 14:00:59 GMT -5
You mean that there is no Ephesians 3:31??? Another translation bites the dust I guess...Either that or another synapse bites the dust...
How about Ephesians 3:21 then. I am really sure that was the verse that the preterist author used.
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Post by Morris on Jul 5, 2010 9:36:07 GMT -5
...OT writers never spoke GLOBALLY. They may not have understood 'Earth' in a spherical sense, but they did know what 'all land' meant; i.e. "the earth at large". Deuteronomy 10:14 " Indeed heaven and the highest heavens belong to the LORD your God, also the earth with all that is in it." |
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Post by MoGrace2U on Jul 5, 2010 10:37:57 GMT -5
The way I look at is that there is no life apart from God sustaining it. Could the earth come to an end on its own as so-called science would like us to think? Sure if God abandoned it. The world would stop turning and we would all fall off! Now how likely is that to happen - according to scripture? When we see that not even death can keep its hold over the life which God gives to men. Without God sustaining the life He created then I suppose you could think this world must end 'someday'. But since God is Life it seems highly unlikely that His plan includes giving death the preeminence in the end. At least according to the scriptures and the hope that I have from them to live forever!
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Post by mellontes on Jul 5, 2010 11:14:12 GMT -5
IMHO, as long as we continue to look at the heaven and earth as being cosmologically oriented (sky, planet), then we are no better off than the futurists who look for a new sky and planet in their scenario.
Christians ARE the new heaven and earth. We ARE the new temple. The old temple system (heaven and earth) is gone! We ARE the new creation (ktisis) of 2 Corinthians 5:17. This is where righteousness dwells.
Are there two prophesies of a new creation of heaven and earth? No.
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