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Post by didymus on Apr 10, 2010 21:43:51 GMT -5
I looked the Pret Blog, and I am confused. The site says, "Hyper-Preterist Free." With my recent encounter with Preterist News, I stated I was not a Hyper-Preterist. But, according to them I am. I believe that all prophecies have been fulfilled, which is what they say is hyper-preterism. Now I encounter the term again. Would someone please tell me, what is preterism and what is hyper-preterism? The very term "preterist" suggest something that is past. So, what is the difference?
Didy the Inquisitor
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Post by MoGrace2U on Apr 11, 2010 11:05:18 GMT -5
To say the Lord has already returned as promised to raise the dead is to be considered a hyper-preterist. The 'orthos' insist this can only happen with a visible appearance of the Lord whereby dead bodies rise from their graves in order to come to life in the earth. And that the judgment then ensues once literal thrones are set up (in a stone temple?). They repugn the idea that any of these things take place in the heavenly realm - unless heaven first appears here visibly upon the renewed earth.
As preterists they have no problem seeing that the events of 70AD did not require a visible appearance of the Lord, but cannot bring themselves to believe anything other than that these other things must! For them beginning in the Spirit is only a temporary respite until the flesh is finally perfected.
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Post by didymus on Apr 11, 2010 17:04:06 GMT -5
Don't they understand that Jesus said, "flesh and blood shall not enter" the kingdom? That being the case, why is a physical resurrection even necessary? What's the purpose for reuniting with a body that's not going to enter the kingdom? Don't they realize that Christ is king of a spiritual kingdom? So, because I believe in a spiritual resurrection, and not a physical resurrection that makes me a hyper-preterist? If they don't understand that, how can they call themselves "preterist"? Didy - the Inquisitor  |
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Post by Morris on Apr 11, 2010 17:22:32 GMT -5
Don't they realize that Christ is king of a spiritual kingdom? For Christians in general, I'd say no. |
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Post by MoGrace2U on Apr 11, 2010 17:23:00 GMT -5
That is the whole point with them in that they want the term preterist to include the idea that some things remain unfulfilled. And they don't want to be called partial preterists so they have coined the term hyper-preterist to impugn our position instead. It works both ways in that each claims preterist for themselves but not the other!
The Amils have taken a lot of flack in the past for their spiritualized views of Revelation and the millennial kingdom, but they have also paved the way for preterism to have a foothold. And many of these so called reformed prets were in the Amil camp for a spell.
Eschatology is definitely a journey as we must wade thru the presuppositional theologies of men which have only muddied the waters with their feet.
But the recovery from dispensational sensationalism is drawing nigh!
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Post by didymus on Apr 11, 2010 22:37:12 GMT -5
Eschatology is definitely a journey as we must wade thru the presuppositional theologies of men which have only muddied the waters with their feet.No we don't. I din't come to an understanding of fulfilled prophecy by wading through the muddy waters of the presuppositional theologies of men. I was swimming in it. Then one day, simply got out of the water, and never intended to ever study Bible Prophecy ever again. You know, this is one of those times I wish I wasn't alone. I really need a hug. So, come here guys -  |
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Post by Once4all on Apr 12, 2010 10:35:49 GMT -5
... You know, this is one of those times I wish I wasn't alone. I really need a hug. So, come here guys - Hugs are always needed and appreciated! I got lots of hugs yesterday when I went back to church. It felt kinda good.  |
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Post by mellontes on Apr 12, 2010 13:47:10 GMT -5
Hugs are always needed and appreciated! I got lots of hugs yesterday when I went back to church. It felt kinda good. Being the cynic that I am, you should ask why they hugged you. Was it because the "prodigals" had come back to the truth and they were happy for that? < Partly joking> As they are hugging you, why don't you whisper in their ear something like this: " I am so glad to be back. Now I get the chance to show you kind people how the Lord has indeed already come back and that the resurrection has taken place." If that isn't a hug stopper and a placer of strange looks on faces, then I don't know a thing. Dispensationalism is proof positive that "ignorance is bliss." |
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Post by Morris on Apr 12, 2010 14:52:24 GMT -5
Being the cynic that I am, you should ask why they hugged you. Was it because the "prodigals" had come back to the truth and they were happy for that? < Partly joking> As they are hugging you, why don't you whisper in their ear something like this: " I am so glad to be back. Now I get the chance to show you kind people how the Lord has indeed already come back and that the resurrection has taken place." If that isn't a hug stopper and a placer of strange looks on faces, then I don't know a thing. Dispensationalism is proof positive that "ignorance is bliss." joking; I think I know why you've had difficulty in finding a non-preterist church to fellowship in. At least you have us, mel! |
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Post by mellontes on Apr 12, 2010 15:24:28 GMT -5
Partly joking; I think I know why you've had difficulty in finding a non-preterist church to fellowship in. At least you have us, mel! Morris, do you think the way I "see" things regarding church fellowship is wrong? I know I am vocal about all this stuff, but should I hide it for the sake of fellowship, which I view as a selfish act? Am I being too obstinate? Personal experience with people who know where I stand has made me think this way. Once they know, I never hear from them again. If I initiate contact, they are " polite" but never express the desire to fellowship in any meaningful way... It hurts like hell! Sorry, if that commented is not permitted or not in good taste...but it is exactly how my wife and I feel. BTW, one of the "emoticons" in that group hug is faceless. It probably represents me and my blank stare as I walk out of a futurist church... |
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Post by Once4all on Apr 12, 2010 15:44:04 GMT -5
... BTW, one of the "emoticons" in that group hug is faceless. It probably represents me and my blank stare as I walk out of a futurist church... I don't think it is faceless. I think it is facing toward the main hugger-dude. Others are facing left and right (toward each other) and toward you, the viewer. Yes, the prodigal thought did cross my mind. I did imagine that the return of a prodigal would feel very similar. However, the people there who know my beliefs also know full well that I haven't changed them. I responded to your questions about my return to church in the other thread, in case you haven't seen it yet.  |
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Post by mellontes on Apr 12, 2010 17:10:40 GMT -5
... BTW, one of the "emoticons" in that group hug is faceless. It probably represents me and my blank stare as I walk out of a futurist church... I don't think it is faceless. I think it is facing toward the main hugger-dude. Others are facing left and right (toward each other) and toward you, the viewer. Yes, the prodigal thought did cross my mind. I did imagine that the return of a prodigal would feel very similar. However, the people there who know my beliefs also know full well that I haven't changed them. I responded to your questions about my return to church in the other thread, in case you haven't seen it yet. The emoticon in the front middle is going backwards into the group hug then...maybe that is the emoticon who is indicative of me and how "backward" my thoughts are... |
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Post by didymus on Apr 12, 2010 17:32:43 GMT -5
It hurts like hell! Sorry, if that commented is not permitted or not in good taste...but it is exactly how my wife and I feel. Now this statement bothers me. Complaining about not having fellowship, yet you have a wife. That is more fellowship than people who live alone have. I had a friend who had a wife and 10 children, and he was complaining about not having fellowship. With a family that size, they didn't need anyone else. I don't get it. Isn't your wife good enough for you that you need more felowship? What you need to do is stop complaining and pray for people like me who have no one of likeminded faith to fellowship with. |
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Post by mellontes on Apr 12, 2010 17:57:50 GMT -5
It hurts like hell! Sorry, if that commented is not permitted or not in good taste...but it is exactly how my wife and I feel. Now this statement bothers me. Complaining about not having fellowship, yet you have a wife. That is more fellowship than people who live alone have. I had a friend who had a wife and 10 children, and he was complaining about not having fellowship. With a family that size, they didn't need anyone else. I don't get it. Isn't your wife good enough for you that you need more felowship? What you need to do is stop complaining and pray for people like me who have no one of likeminded faith to fellowship with. Thank you for your kind words. I am very fortunate to have the wife that I have. God has greatly blessed me in this area. Unfortunately, my wife needs the fellowship of others too. It is not at all that I believe my wife is not good enough. I believe the body of Christ and its entirety of believers goes much further than just the husband-wife relationship. Let us not forget that Paul once counseled others to not marry because of the persecution, yet at the same time he was very mindful to instruct believers not to forsake the assembling of themselves in fellowship. I will pray for your particular situation as soon as I click "Post Reply." Blessings! |
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Post by didymus on Apr 12, 2010 20:03:01 GMT -5
Mell,
Thanks for calling my words kind. They weren't meant to be mean, and perhaps you know that. Just venting some frustration.
You should remember what Joshua said. "Choose you this day whom you will serve; as for me and my house we will serve the Lord." Joshua was willing to go it alone with just his family.
Thanks for your prayers.
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