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Post by didymus on Mar 5, 2010 5:22:50 GMT -5
Has anyone here read, "Elect in the Son," by Robert Shank? A pastor friend of mine offered it to me to borrow, but I am not much of a book reader unless I have a hankering for it. It is my understanding this book teaches "corporate election." And also, "conditional security." It sounds like this book comes down where I believe.
Simply put, our election is in the body of Christ, and our security is based on our faith in Christ. If we abandon the faith, we lose our security. If this were not so, then why all the warnings about the apostasy? If it were not possible for believers to fall away, than there can be no apostasy.
Anyway, I'd like to hear more about this book if anyone has it.
Thanks.
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Post by Sower on Mar 5, 2010 17:47:34 GMT -5
Hi Didymus,
My first hearing of it! It sounds quite interesting, when you read it, please let us know what you think!
Blessings,
Sower~
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Post by Once4all on Mar 5, 2010 18:24:07 GMT -5
I've had the book since 2003 and have not read it yet. It's about time I did. If you get the book, maybe we can read it at the same time and bounce comments off one another here.
Bev
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Post by Morris on Mar 8, 2010 10:22:44 GMT -5
Simply put, our election is in the body of Christ, and our security is based on our faith in Christ. If we abandon the faith, we lose our security. From my understanding, our security is that no one can remove us from the hand of God but us. In other words, we can't be pulled from Christ, but we can walk away. |
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Post by Once4all on Mar 8, 2010 17:25:44 GMT -5
I started to read the book yesterday. After getting through the forward, introduction, first chapter, and into the second chapter, I decided to put it back on the shelf for now. Why?
Back when I bought the book, my interest at the time was finding out if Calvinism was true or false. I should have read it then. Since then (ca 2003), I have determined Calvinism to be false and I currently have no desire or reason to re-look at it right now. One needs a present desire to study the topic in order to get anything from this book. It's not for casual reading. So even though I'm in general agreement with the author (the book is opposed to the Calvinist view of election), it's just not my cup o' tea right now.
Bev
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Post by Allyn on Mar 8, 2010 17:42:36 GMT -5
I started to read the book yesterday. After getting through the forward, introduction, first chapter, and into the second chapter, I decided to put it back on the shelf for now. Why? Back when I bought the book, my interest at the time was finding out if Calvinism was true or false. I should have read it then. Since then (ca 2003), I have determined Calvinism to be false and I currently have no desire or reason to re-look at it right now. One needs a present desire to study the topic in order to get anything from this book. It's not for casual reading. So even though I'm in general agreement with the author (the book is opposed to the Calvinist view of election), it's just not my cup o' tea right now. Bev I find myself doing that all the time. |
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Post by didymus on Mar 11, 2010 12:31:13 GMT -5
I've had the book since 2003 and have not read it yet. It's about time I did. If you get the book, maybe we can read it at the same time and bounce comments off one another here. Bev I just picked up the book yesterday. Started to read it last night. So, far I haven't learned anything new. I think it's a book that will just confirm waht I already know and believe.  |
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Post by Allyn on Mar 11, 2010 12:38:50 GMT -5
I've had the book since 2003 and have not read it yet. It's about time I did. If you get the book, maybe we can read it at the same time and bounce comments off one another here. Bev I just picked up the book yesterday. Started to read it last night. So, far I haven't learned anything new. I think it's a book that will just confirm waht I already know and believe. I'm glad you are back |
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Post by didymus on Mar 15, 2010 22:12:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure I am. I do not like to play games when it comes to what the Bible says. Apparently some do. Why can't they just make their point in stead of asking pretentious questions? Anyway, the book, "Elect in the Son" goes back on Wedensday. I don't really like the way it was written. I agree with the conclusions, which I have held before I got the book. He quotes far too many theologians, which makes the book a lot longer than it has to be. Books like this are a boring read. And, I have no patience to read a boring book, which most of them are. I do have boring books in my library, which I use for research. But to read it straight through. I can't do it. Kudos to those who can.  |
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Post by Morris on Mar 16, 2010 9:43:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure I am. I do not like to play games when it comes to what the Bible says. Apparently some do. Why can't they just make their point in stead of asking pretentious questions? Well, all I can say is that everybody has their own personalities and that will come through in the way they converse. For example, I know that some people try really hard to ask questions in an attempt to allow the questionee a chance at researching and answering themselves. I think this admirable, personally, but it is also easier to do within established relationships than on a forum. |
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Post by didymus on Jul 14, 2010 0:54:31 GMT -5
I want to say that recently, I have not seen what scared me away some months ago. I guess personalities can change. In recent months I have seen quite a bit of compassion here, and I find that refreshing. Thanks.  |
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Post by didymus on Sept 28, 2010 6:56:04 GMT -5
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