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Post by didymus on Mar 4, 2010 23:33:07 GMT -5
This is a question that has been asked of me recently. Here is my answer.
The gospel is the good news that God so loved this world, that He gave His only Son born of a woman,
- to preach the gospel of the kingdom,
- to heal the sicknesses and diseases of many people,
- to be falsely accused,
- to be humiliated in front of His friends,
- to be tortured till He was unrecognizable,
- to be crucified for the sins of the world,
- to be buried in a borrowed grave,
- to be raised from the dead,
- to send out 13 special messengers to take His story to the ends of the earth,
- to return in the lifetime of some of His messengers in judgement of a wayward Israel,
- to establish a new covenant and a new kingdom for a new people,
and whoever has an active faith in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.
That's the gospel.
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Post by mellontes on Mar 5, 2010 11:31:03 GMT -5
This is a question that has been asked of me recently. Here is my answer. The gospel is the good news that God so loved this world, that He gave His only Son born of a woman, - to preach the gospel of the kingdom, - to heal the sicknesses and diseases of many people, - to be falsely accused, - to be humiliated in front of His friends, - to be tortured till He was unrecognizable, - to be crucified for the sins of the world, - to be buried in a borrowed grave, - to be raised from the dead, - to send out 13 special messengers to take His story to the ends of the earth, - to return in the lifetime of some of His messengers in judgement of a wayward Israel, - to establish a new covenant and a new kingdom for a new people, and whoever has an active faith in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. That's the gospel. Didymus, was Jesus raised from the same place he was buried - the borrowed grave? Is it this resurrection that is prime in your understanding of being raised from the dead? A simple yes or no will suffice. If no, you could elaborate a bit more, but it sure seems that you believe the resurrection to be concerned with the borrowed grave ( Joseph of Arithamaea's tomb) as being the grave. |
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Post by didymus on Mar 5, 2010 16:11:41 GMT -5
Gee, I don't know. I think maybe Jesus raised in Corpus Cristi, Texas.
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Post by mellontes on Mar 5, 2010 17:32:47 GMT -5
Gee, I don't know. I think maybe Jesus raised in Corpus Cristi, Texas. May I follow up with...looks like you need to hear and apply the Gospel to your own life instead of trying to tell us what you think it is...sheeesh |
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Post by didymus on Mar 5, 2010 23:35:34 GMT -5
Gee, I don't know. I think maybe Jesus raised in Corpus Cristi, Texas. May I follow up with...looks like you need to hear and apply the Gospel to your own life instead of trying to tell us what you think it is...sheeesh Hey Mell- ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. Ask an intelligent question, you'll get a better answer. It's amasing. You've lived as long as you did, studied the Bible as long as you obviously did, and still have to ask a question like, "Where was Jesus raised"? Your threat of not dealing with me is the best news I had in a long time. |
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Post by Once4all on Mar 6, 2010 12:33:18 GMT -5
Romans 12:18 - If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.
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Post by mellontes on Mar 6, 2010 19:05:38 GMT -5
Romans 12:18 - If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. Didymus doesn't get it at all. He assumed I was being facetious or something, when I wasn't!! If he thinks Jesus was in the tomb at the time of His raising, he is crazy. Jesus was in hades where the "dead ones" were. His corpse lay lifeless inside the tomb UNTIL Jesus had been raised from the dead and reunited with His physical body. This is precisely why so many people don't have a clue about resurrection, the penalty of sin and what the death of Adam was all about. It seems that even futurists understand that the "person" is NOT the body in the casket. They all say "so and so" has gone to be with the Lord. Which means that the person is NOT the dead corpse in the casket! But somehow all this thinking gets tanked when talking about Jesus... Acts 2:27 - Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:31 - He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. All I tried to do was ask him where Jesus was raised. I say it was in Hades and not in Joseph of Arimathaea's tomb...Most think of a physical body being raised when they think of Jesus, but that is totally contrary to the concept of death... Maybe Didymus will venture back to my original question and rethink his sarcastic answer... |
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Post by didymus on Mar 6, 2010 22:41:02 GMT -5
What does it matter. You question is irrelevent to the point. What we know is Jesus was crucified and buried. We know the women went to the tomb - the same tomb His body was placed, and He wasn't there.
I am unaware that Jesus was raised in Hades, I don't think the Bible says that.
But, talking about missing the point. Do you have any idea what the point is to tne OP?
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Post by stephenpatrick on Mar 6, 2010 23:17:14 GMT -5
This is precisely why so many people don't have a clue about resurrection, the penalty of sin and what the death of Adam was all about. It seems that even futurists understand that the "person" is NOT the body in the casket. They all say "so and so" has gone to be with the Lord. Which means that the person is NOT the dead corpse in the casket! But somehow all this thinking gets tanked when talking about Jesus... Acts 2:27 - Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:31 - He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. Very well stated Ted. Jesus' body leaving the tomb then is the physical witness we have to what took place for His spirit in Hades, which really is the resurrection, especially if we apply the Adamic death. I know that this is not explained on Easter morning. Acts 2:27 Because thou will not leave my soul in hell. Wow. That is powerful. Steve |
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Post by didymus on Mar 7, 2010 6:52:02 GMT -5
Okay, since we must get into this, which is far afield from the original post - way far afield.
It sounds like you guys are saying Jesus raised in Hades. That would be incorrect. Hades was the place of departed souls or spirits. Jesus did go there, in spirit form, to teach the spirits there about Himself. But His resurrection did not happen there. Nowhere does the Scripture say that. If it does I'd like to see it. And, I still don't see the relevence to the original post. But, then I have noticed, no one in here knows how to stay on point.
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