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Post by Sower on Jan 31, 2010 16:58:32 GMT -5
The apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said... II Corinthians 5:1 For we KNOW that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal IN the heavens. 2 FOR indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling "from" heaven; 3 Forasmuch as we, having put it on, shall not be found naked. 4 For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed, but to be clothed, in order that what is "mortal" may be swallowed up by life. However, others say they know our earthly tent/body will be resurrected and fitted for heaven. If the others are right, what happens to our heavenly tent/body "from" heaven (2 Corinthians 5:1-2)? Who's right?  The Sower~ |
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Post by Once4all on Jan 31, 2010 19:18:16 GMT -5
Hi Sower. I've just been reading through 1 Corinthians 15 again, and Paul sure seems to want to drive home the difference between the "earthy" and the "heavenly" (or the "natural" and the "spiritual").
Some things that stood out to me:
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(1 Corinthians 15:20 NASB) But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
(1 Corinthians 15:36 NASB) You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies;
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(1 Corinthians 15:51 NASB) Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
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(1 Corinthians 15:45 NASB) So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
The "living soul" refers to the human body, and this is being contrasted with a "life-giving spirit."
The first is described as "earthy," the other "heavenly."
(1 Corinthians 15:22 NASB) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
(1 Corinthians 15:49 NASB) Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.
Living soul = in Adam = earthy
life-giving spirit = in Christ = heavenly
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Another thing is all the stuff about seeds and sowing.
(1 Corinthians 15:37 NASB) and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else.
What is sown is clearly different from what is raised. After this is where Paul goes into how God makes different kinds of flesh, that they are not all the same (men, beasts, birds, fish). The same (they are flesh), yet different.
Just as the flesh of the earthly bodies are different in appearance, so also the glory (appearance) of the heavenly bodies all different. They are all heavenly bodies, but differ in glory one from another.
Bird and fish are flesh of the earth (earthly bodies), but are unique in appearance one from the other.
The sun and the moon are of the heavens (heavenly bodies), but are unique in glory (brightness) one from the other.
(1 Corinthians 15:42 NASB) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body;
One way to see this is that he is assuring them of maintaining individuality at the resurrection. All will be raised as spiritual bodies, but that doesn't mean all will be carbon copies of one another.
1 Corinthians 15:43-44 NASB
(43) it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
(44) it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. It is the weak flesh that is sown, but the spirit is raised.
Also, amidst this resurrection talk, Paul includes the admonition to stop sinning (1 Corinthians 15:34). It almost looks out of place in the discussion, but it ties direction to his quote of Isaiah in verse 32, "let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die." The context of that verse in Isaiah 22 is that of those who rebel against God. Yahweh called them to one thing and they did the complete opposite. "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die!" is like a call to rebellion and sinning against God.
Isaiah 22:12-14 NASB
(12) Therefore in that day the Lord GOD of hosts called you to weeping, to wailing, To shaving the head and to wearing sackcloth.
(13) Instead, there is gaiety and gladness, Killing of cattle and slaughtering of sheep, Eating of meat and drinking of wine: "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we may die."
(14) But the LORD of hosts revealed Himself to me, "Surely this iniquity shall not be forgiven you Until you die," says the Lord GOD of hosts.
Paul says, "If the dead are not raised, LET US EAT AND DRINK, FOR TOMORROW WE DIE." If there is no resurrection of the dead, we may as well ignore God and go on sinning. Do what thou wilt.
Galatians 6:7-8 NASB
(7) Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.
(8) For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
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My point? I don't know. Except that I don't think 1 Corinthians 15 is meant to show or prove a bodily resurrection. That the resurrection is spiritual is made more clear. Rather, it may be more to show that what you sow in this body will affect the glory of what is raised.
Bev
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Post by Theophilus on Feb 1, 2010 0:06:24 GMT -5
The apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said...However, others say they know our earthly tent/body will be resurrected and fitted for heaven. If the others are right, [and thus, the Apostle Paul & the Holy Spirit are wrong] what happens to our heavenly tent/body "from" heaven (2 Corinthians 5:1-2)? That's not a loaded question or anything! Your question is akin to asking "So when did you stop beating your wife?" The question already assumes that anyone who disagrees with your understanding of the passage automatically disagrees with Paul & the Holy Spirit. II Corinthians 5:1 For we KNOW that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal IN the heavens. Is your body a tent? Literally? Is our resurrected body going to have 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms, with a white picket fence? Of course I am being silly, it is just an analogy.  Our resurrected bodies rise up out of the graves and meet Jesus in the heavens, to be with Him forever (1 Thess.4:16-17). So our heavenly bodies, our resurrected bodies will be in Heaven forever. If our resurrected bodies are already in Heaven, then how do they "rise up?" |
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Post by Sower on Feb 1, 2010 12:03:26 GMT -5
Hi Bev,
I also don't think 1 Corinthians 15, is meant to show or prove a bodily resurrection. I also think that the resurrection is spiritual.
I don't know about the body sown affecting the glory of what is raised, but it's an interesting thought and may very well be true.
The Sower~
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Post by Once4all on Feb 1, 2010 12:20:06 GMT -5
Hi Bev, I also don't think 1 Corinthians 15, is meant to show or prove a bodily resurrection. I also think that the resurrection is spiritual. I know.  I don't know about the body sown affecting the glory of what is raised, but it's an interesting thought and may very well be true. Mostly, I was trying to flesh out (pun intended) what reasons Paul had for pointing out the different kinds of earthly bodies vs. the different kinds of heavenly bodies. I probably should have posted this in the "spiritual resurrection" thread, but when I read your post here, it inspired me to write down what I had been thinking, so I just posted it where I was instead of going back to the other thread. God bless you, sister. Bev |
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Post by Sower on Feb 1, 2010 12:37:31 GMT -5
The apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said...However, others say they know our earthly tent/body will be resurrected and fitted for heaven. If the others are right, [and thus, the Apostle Paul & the Holy Spirit are wrong] what happens to our heavenly tent/body "from" heaven (2 Corinthians 5:1-2)? That's not a loaded question or anything! Not meant to be. Please put aside the assumptions, and answer the questions. Right!  Not so, our resurrected spirits rise, the body went back to the dust from which it was formed (Genesis 2:7; 3:19). Not... Our heavenly bodies are "eternal" in heaven (2 Corinthians 5:2). Does that mean our eternal bodies in heaven, has no beginning or end? How does that eternal body in heaven, correlate with the body formed from the dust of the earth? They don't, our spirit rise up. The Sower~ |
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Post by Sower on Feb 1, 2010 12:40:48 GMT -5
Hi Bev, I also don't think 1 Corinthians 15, is meant to show or prove a bodily resurrection. I also think that the resurrection is spiritual. I know. I don't know about the body sown affecting the glory of what is raised, but it's an interesting thought and may very well be true. Mostly, I was trying to flesh out (pun intended) what reasons Paul had for pointing out the different kinds of earthly bodies vs. the different kinds of heavenly bodies. I probably should have posted this in the "spiritual resurrection" thread, but when I read your post here, it inspired me to write down what I had been thinking, so I just posted it where I was instead of going back to the other thread. God bless you, sister. Bev Thanks, for posting here dear sister! Blessings, |
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