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Post by auss1eguy on Aug 14, 2008 4:47:43 GMT -5
G'day guys  How do you share the preterist view for the first time with a fellow Christian? May Our Lord Jesus Christ be with you and may he fill you with his Holy Spirit Jonathon |
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Post by Sower on Aug 14, 2008 10:41:08 GMT -5
Hi Aussie, Excellent question! For me, it usually began with a fellow christian speaking about this being the last days, and I will say something like I use to believe that as well until I realized the last days occurred during the time Jesus and the apostles were on the earth according to the scripture (Hebrews 1:2; Acts 2:16-21; 1 Peter 1:20; 2 Peter 3:3-17). That opens the door to futurist questions and the opportunity to show scripture that prove those things have been fulfilled, and we are not waiting for the kingdom to come, it's already come and we were translated into it when we became chriastians (Colossians 1:12-14). The best part is responding with scripture to the myriad of questions that's sure to follow. You probably know about that part! Blessings, Lady Sower~ |
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Post by Allyn on Aug 14, 2008 12:59:04 GMT -5
My approach is similar. I have my Bible ready for the challenge by marking the places. I plan to mark my Bible in a more orderly walk through the Scripture kind of thing. I have it already for sharing the Gospel but not yet for my preterist view. Most of my interaction is in this kind of format. I have another board "The Way to Zion" thewaytozion.proboards39.com/index.cgi with mostly futurist members. None of them know much about preterism and a couple of them are pretty touchie so I walk carefully there. But some questions have come up and plan to deal with them as time permits. That board show my progression to what I believe now. |
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Post by auss1eguy on Aug 15, 2008 4:59:23 GMT -5
They sound like great ideas. I think I should be grounded in the Word a little more. I've only been a Christian for a short time (2 years).
I've been listening to Dr. Kelly Nelson Birks' audio on end times @ firstcenturymind.com. Whenever he makes a claim he backs it up with scripture. He tells his audience to mark the verses and give references to them.
Has anyone here been approached by a fellow preterist sharing their views with you without them realizing you are a preterist?
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Post by Sower on Aug 18, 2008 10:22:26 GMT -5
Hi Aussie,
I commend your desire to become rooted and grounded in the truth! I'm not acquainted with Dr. kelly Birks audios but from the questions you ask I perceive you will know the truth when you compare them with scripture.
I've not been approached by preterist oouside the discussion forums.
Blessings,
Lady Sower~
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Post by MoGrace2U on Oct 12, 2008 0:06:36 GMT -5
The idea that one's eschatology is a non-essential element of salvation is a fallacy. Our understanding of prophecy is essential to our knowing what Christ has done for us. To say that what He has fulfilled is still future because Israel is in unbelief is to take the position of denying that Jesus has actually secured our salvation at all. You can't confess Jesus as the Christ and deny Him at the same time. The testimony of Jesus IS the spirit of prophecy (Rev 19:10). If we do not know what He has done, how can we put our faith in what He will yet do with any confidence? This is the dilemma the other positions face as they look to Israel to define their hope in Christ. Rather it is Jesus that has the preeminence. If you look to Him so that you might know Him according to the record we have been given, you will not stumble at what the false prophets are saying.
The churches began to go astray right at the first because of their unbelief. And that is the division we see in the body today. Even the creeds are based upon the fact that they do not believe the resurrection has come. But as Paul said, if the dead are not rising then we are still in our sins - and our hope is spurious, so that we are the most miserable of men - having believed in something that did not happen. We make Jesus and the apostles false prophets by saying that what they said was near for that generation means something else entirely.
So my answer is that we need to point this out so that they can recover themselves out of the trap the enemy has set to make them stumble. "Hath God really said" is still the bane on the churches today who will not take His words literally. Hope and faith is founded upon love. If we do not love what He has done, how can we set our anchor in faith upon what He will do? AND how can we be warned about the trap the enemy sets for us if we do not know what it looks like? All of these things are revealed to us in the word by the example He has given us.
The Church tends to ignore 70 AD, but it is crucial to our understanding of what could happen to us if we neglect to understand the salvation that He wrought for us in the first advent - as Israel did. The very nature of deceit is that the one deceived has not a clue. The only way out is to hold fast to the truth. But if we do not know the truth or do not believe it, then what will establish our faith?
Prophecy is what will edify and build us up. Therefore it is essential that we know what the prophets were saying. And Jesus is the last Prophet that God sent to us. If we hear Him, we will walk in His ways and keep ourselves from idols.
(1 John 5:20) And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
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Post by Sower on Jan 26, 2009 21:48:35 GMT -5
Hi Forum, Excellent question, and responses!  Lady Sower~ |
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