Romans 8:11 on CARM

[mellontes]

Hey guys and gals! Let's not forget to "rate this thread" with a five star rating...

Source: www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=160047
Like Noble said, this thread has much value for more than one reason...



Blessings!

[millennialsaint]

And as usual, I've already refuted them.

[mellontes]

Stumbled upon this while doing a PayPal update...

Source: www.lastdays-eschatology.net/resurrection.html

Romans 8:11

In addition, a futuristic eschatological resurrection from biological death creates a serious exegetical problem in the text of Romans 8:11. "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you."
If there is one indubitable fact in this text it is that the indwelling Spirit effects resurrection of the body. Three questions are naturally raised at this pint.

One, how does one get the Holy Spirit to presently indwell physically dead bodies?

Two, is the Spirit necessary to raise the bodies of the wicked and if not, how will they be raised?

Three, how does the Spirit indwell dead bodies today in a non-miraculous age?

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First, the careful reader will observe that the bodies in Romans 8 were yet alive physically, but died in some sense both when and only upon the condition that Christ entered them, i.e., "if Christ be in you," (v. (10).
Does Christ in you bring about physical death? What a hope of glory that would be!

Secondly, the bodies in this context were only those of Christians who were physically alive.

Third, the indwelling of these bodies was by a then present (about A.D. 57) miraculous indwelling of the Spirit whose completed work was future but not removed from the age of the miraculous, i.e. the end of the Jewish age, (Matthew 28:20; Mark 16: 20; 1 Corinthians 1:8).

It was by His Spirit that indwells (present tense) you. Clearly, this is a non-"Rover-dead-all-over" perspective of bodily resurrection of which most futurists physical resurrection advocates have little or nothing to say.

Further, could the bodily resurrection of Romans 8 which clearly is non-physical death be the same as that of 1 Corinthians 15? The context of Romans carries the subject of bodily resurrection all the way through to verse 25. This connects several important eschatological points, namely "bodily" resurrection," "heirs," "glorified together," "revealing of the sons of God," deliverance of the creation," "the adoption," "redemption of the body" and "hope." One must ask, "were they hoping for two bodily resurrections, one before physical death and one after physical death, all within the one framework of the bible's endtime program?

[Allyn]

Thanks Mel. This is almost exactly where I am heading with my CARM Rom 8:11 thread.