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Post by Sower on Feb 7, 2009 16:54:54 GMT -5
There is quite a bit of confusion among christians, about the times of the Gentiles! Regarding, when it began, and ended.  Your thoughts? Lady Sower~ |
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Post by Michael J Loomis on Feb 8, 2009 2:41:13 GMT -5
There is quite a bit of confusion among christians, about the times of the Gentiles! Regarding, when it began, and ended. Your thoughts? Lady Sower~ Luke 21:24b And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Revelation 11:2But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. I know people want to say that the times of the gentiles has lasted for almost 2000 years now. But somehow they seem to miss that Revelation says that it only lasts 42 months. Strangely enough, the same amount of time the siege of Jerusalem lasted according to Josephus. Pmike |
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Post by Sower on Feb 8, 2009 13:07:27 GMT -5
Hi Psychohmike, I'm in total agreement!  Blessings, Lady Sower~ |
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Post by MoGrace2U on Feb 9, 2009 11:58:41 GMT -5
Luke 21:24b And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Revelation 11:2But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. I know people want to say that the times of the gentiles has lasted for almost 2000 years now. But somehow they seem to miss that Revelation says that it only lasts 42 months. Strangely enough, the same amount of time the siege of Jerusalem lasted according to Josephus. Pmike I think the 42 months are the allottment for Jerusalem to bring her judgment to bear in 70AD. While the times of the Gentiles continues until it reaches its fullness so that judgment can be meted out to them. During which the Gentiles do continue to trample upon Jerusalem beyond 70AD. Which I think culminates for the Gentiles in the fall of Rome. |
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Post by mellontes on Feb 9, 2009 14:30:06 GMT -5
Luke 21:24b And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Revelation 11:2But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. I know people want to say that the times of the gentiles has lasted for almost 2000 years now. But somehow they seem to miss that Revelation says that it only lasts 42 months. Strangely enough, the same amount of time the siege of Jerusalem lasted according to Josephus. Pmike I think the 42 months are the allottment for Jerusalem to bring her judgment to bear in 70AD. While the times of the Gentiles continues until it reaches its fullness so that judgment can be meted out to them. During which the Gentiles do continue to trample upon Jerusalem beyond 70AD. Which I think culminates for the Gentiles in the fall of Rome. Romans 11:11-1511 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? The fullness of the Gentiles has very little to do with their decline as the above context reveals IMHO. It was the Apostle Paul's ministry to bring in the fullness of the Gentiles and that he did. It is a completed act. This is what he meant when he had preached the gospel everywhere. The Gentiles became "full" by 70 AD when anyone not accepting the truth would be judged... |
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Post by mtymousie on Feb 9, 2009 15:18:02 GMT -5
I think the 42 months are the allottment for Jerusalem to bring her judgment to bear in 70AD. While the times of the Gentiles continues until it reaches its fullness so that judgment can be meted out to them. During which the Gentiles do continue to trample upon Jerusalem beyond 70AD. Which I think culminates for the Gentiles in the fall of Rome.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
The fullness of the Gentiles has very little to do with their decline as the above context reveals IMHO.
It was the Apostle Paul's ministry to bring in the fullness of the Gentiles and that he did. It is a completed act. This is what he meant when he had preached the gospel everywhere.
The Gentiles became "full" by 70 AD when anyone not accepting the truth would be judged...Oh, amen and amen and AMEN!!! Thank God and thank you, Ted, for posting that. preteristmouse |
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Post by MoGrace2U on Feb 9, 2009 21:45:49 GMT -5
Mellontes,
Well I don't see the same context for the Gentiles of Luke 21 & Rev 11 as is in view in Rom 11. The latter is about a group that is being saved while the other is about the group being used to work judgment.
Perhaps you could point out how the context in each leads you to believe it is the exact same "Gentiles" being spoken of?
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Post by mellontes on Feb 10, 2009 10:23:22 GMT -5
Mellontes, Well I don't see the same context for the Gentiles of Luke 21 & Rev 11 as is in view in Rom 11. The latter is about a group that is being saved while the other is about the group being used to work judgment. Perhaps you could point out how the context in each leads you to believe it is the exact same "Gentiles" being spoken of? I guess it is rather the same for the Jews. The ones that don't get saved, get judged. For the Gentiles of that age (Lk 21, Rm 11, Rev 11). For the Gentiles, those that don't get saved do the judging... Do you have a specific question about a specific verse. Exegeting two chapters on a medium like this is near impossible and very time consuming if you know what I mean... |
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