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Post by Allyn on Jan 2, 2009 9:17:57 GMT -5
But My words will by no means pass away.
This is open for discussion- Lets have fun
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Post by adhitthana on Jan 4, 2009 5:58:53 GMT -5
But My words will by no means pass away. This is open for discussion- Lets have fun OK. You asked for it.  This is a line of thought I have toyed with for a few years now. I don't know that I hold it, but continue to consider it. In ancient thought worlds or ages came and went. The change from one world or one age to another might be marked by a change in psychological posture of a culture. It might also have been marked by a change in the positions of the stars in the sky, due to a phenomenon known as precession. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession_(astronomy)At the start of an age, the world was seen to be "in order". The stars rose at certain times, indicating to men that , for example, it was time to plant their crops. Over time the indicator that it was time to do such things moved out of place, and thus the whole world appeard to be moving out of kilter, into chaos. The stars "fell" backwards below the horizon WRT to the movement of the sun. Finally after about 2000 or so years the world or age had moved so far that the ancient "laws" no longer held true. The times had changed. A "new heaven" might be said to have come into being. And so a new age or world was inaugurated. Was Jesus speaking to an audience that might have understood the cosmos this way? That is the question. Anyway this is a rather large subject and I have only very briefly touched on it but am happy to provide more information if anyone is interested. |
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Post by Once4all on Jan 4, 2009 9:10:10 GMT -5
But My words will by no means pass away. This is open for discussion- Lets have fun I've been slow in responding to this because I'm not sure if you are asking about heaven and earth passing away and its meaning, or "My words will by no means pass away" and its meaning. I assume that, since the meaning of "heaven and earth" is fairly consistent throughout preterist belief, then you are probably asking about "My words will by no means pass away." "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure. (John 3:34) The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever. (Isaiah 40:8) "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me. (John 14:24) ... there is but one God, the Father ... (1 Corinthians 8:6) Therefore, because Jesus speaks the words of God his Father, and the word of God stands forever, he can say that "My words will by no means pass away." Bev |
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Post by Michael J Loomis on Jan 4, 2009 14:20:45 GMT -5
This is from a post of mine over at carm. In the "Antiquities of The Jews," by Flavius Josephus we can see that there was a common understanding in the first century for these three terms together, "heaven...earth...and sea." Here is how he defined them as a first century Jew. But even more so it was not Josephus that made this distinction but Moses Please read the following passage with care...SERIOUSLY!!! Antiquities...Book 3, Chapter 7, Paragraph 7. "When Moses distinguished the tabernacle into three parts, and allowed two of them to the priests, as a place accessible and common, he denoted the land and the sea, these being of general access to all; but he set apart the third division for God, because heaven is inaccessible to men." Good stuff  |
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