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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 10, 2011 3:39:48 GMT -5
Judge, Vaughn I suggest up to three questions per rebuttal be asked. Your thoughts... Roo I'd prefer a limit to the total number of questions. We might need more questions early on. Okay. Please make a suggestion or the judge will determine it. thanks, Roo |
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Post by JLVaughn on Jan 10, 2011 11:57:42 GMT -5
I'd prefer a limit to the total number of questions. We might need more questions early on. Okay. Please make a suggestion or the judge will determine it. thanks, Roo I am fine with a limit of an average of 3 questions per rebuttal. No questions from the final rebuttal could be answered. Would a limit of 20 total questions be fine? |
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Post by didymus on Jan 10, 2011 11:59:28 GMT -5
When you guys are finished defining and setting terms, please wake me up when the debate starts. I've never witnessed an online debate before. Just please wake me up when the debate begins.  |
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Post by Once4all on Jan 10, 2011 15:12:24 GMT -5
That's a great idea, Didy. An announcement will be posted in the Board Announcements section when the debate begins. In the meantime, I want to remind everyone that the only people who should be posting in this "Defining and setting terms" thread are the actual debate participants (debaters, judge, moderators).
Thanks!
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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 10, 2011 15:34:31 GMT -5
Vaughn,
Sounds great! You're correct that the final (7th) rebuttal will contain no questions. Questions will be asked only in rebuttals 1-6. You suggested earlier that one question be asked in the resolve but I don't think the resolve is supposed to contain questions. Up to three questions with a limit of 20 total will be asked in rebuttals# 1-6.
We need now only to set the date and the judge tell us the deadline for sending our resolves to him.
I am looking forward to this.
Roo
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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 10, 2011 15:38:29 GMT -5
When you guys are finished defining and setting terms, please wake me up when the debate starts. I've never witnessed an online debate before. Just please wake me up when the debate begins. Patience Didy. It takes time to set up a formal debate online. The one and only other formal debate online I was in took more pages to set up. We're almost ready to go. Roo |
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Post by simplyforgiven on Jan 10, 2011 17:15:22 GMT -5
Lol Kj,
it took about 40 pages i think to finally set it up.
No questions should be asked in the OP (opening statements/case)
Now is there any other terms to discuss?
word limit?
page limit?
Remeber that the debates MUST BE ORGANIZED. if not! than we all might lose you.
In each rebuttal: a brief intro should be set. for example " First i will attack my oppenents case and than i will build my case up again"
REmember that a Rebuttal is not just OFFENSIVE, but DEFENSIVE as well.
Restructre you points.
Defensive: is to rebuild your case, and affirm why it STILL HOLDS.
Remember that ANY ATTACK OR ORGINAL POINT that is not refuted is held valid.
That means that if in the closing statment KJ states that his Contention 3 was not refuted at all, and if i see that as well, i will hold it valid.
Remeber the CASE or OP is the HEART of your Debate, Defend it well. the Rebuttals are meant to revolve around the CAse.
if your CASE is strong, than you will last longer in your rebuttals.
If your case is to opened ended, than it will be lost in the rebuttals.
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Post by didymus on Jan 10, 2011 21:37:16 GMT -5
When you guys are finished defining and setting terms, please wake me up when the debate starts. I've never witnessed an online debate before. Just please wake me up when the debate begins. Patience Didy. It takes time to set up a formal debate online. The one and only other formal debate online I was in took more pages to set up. We're almost ready to go. Roo Okay then. Back to bed. But, you will wake me up when the debate starts. |
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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 11, 2011 11:21:40 GMT -5
The judge said:
Judge,
I already indicated that I have no word limits just as long as each point is concise. If Jeff has no other issues then all we need to do now is set a starting date. Jeff mentioned a date but I can't find it. How much time will be allowed to reply to each rebuttal?
I will begin my research and on working on my resolve.
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Post by simplyforgiven on Jan 12, 2011 3:14:44 GMT -5
The judge said: Judge, I already indicated that I have no word limits just as long as each point is concise. If Jeff has no other issues then all we need to do now is set a starting date. Jeff mentioned a date but I can't find it. How much time will be allowed to reply to each rebuttal? I will begin my research and on working on my resolve. IT should take you a week to finish your case or till the end of the month. a rebuttal shouldnt take more than 48 hours to reply. |
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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 12, 2011 4:02:12 GMT -5
Debate Judge wrote:
Are you saying that we have until the end of the month to send you our resolves?
KJ
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Post by JLVaughn on Jan 12, 2011 11:00:37 GMT -5
Debate Judge wrote: Are you saying that we have until the end of the month to send you our resolves? KJ That works for me. 48 hours is a bit quick for sending in each rebuttal though. |
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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 12, 2011 12:34:49 GMT -5
Debate Judge wrote: Are you saying that we have until the end of the month to send you our resolves? KJ That works for me. 48 hours is a bit quick for sending in each rebuttal though. Vaughn, I am curious as to why 48 hours would be difficult. You already have done the research because you have written a book. I am not saying I have a problem with more time to send rebuttals. Just curious. Anyway, the judge will note your concern and will make the call on it. Roo |
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Post by Once4all on Jan 12, 2011 13:33:48 GMT -5
Yet again: I want to remind everyone that the only people who should be posting in this "Defining and setting terms" thread are the actual debate participants (debaters, judge, moderators).
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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 12, 2011 14:03:16 GMT -5
[I am curious as to why 48 hours would be difficult. You already have done the research because you have written a book. I am not saying I have a problem with more time to send rebuttals. Just curious. Roo Roo, what's your typical daily routine? Do you have young children at home? Do you live alone? You make good points. But I was not finding fault with Vaughn's statement. I was just curious. He will need to tell the judge that he needs more time which he can do in a private message to him. I said what I said because the judge himself said that sending a rebuttal should not exceed 48 hours. I was giving the judge the benefit of his expertise. If Vaughn needs more time, then he should NOT put himself at a disadvantage. Roo |
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Post by simplyforgiven on Jan 12, 2011 17:08:04 GMT -5
Debate Judge wrote: Are you saying that we have until the end of the month to send you our resolves? KJ If you want. it really depends on what you guys want to do. I can give ya a week if you want, or till the end of THIS month. so on Feb the rebuttals should start. about the rebuttals the 48 hours is just a suggestion. I think 48 hour is simply enough time to post a response, so that the other wouldnt have more time to come up with more objections. so it should be equal time. i think 36 hours wouldnt be so bad either, but the rebuttals were never meant to exceed so much time, because you cant ADD evidence, but you can attack more. Rebuttals are meant to debate the evidence presented, and reasons why the oppenets fails. soo it shouldnt take to long to defend and than attack. anymore time would be pointless and would take forever. we all have activities, so quicker the responses the less debt we have. remember the heat of debate happens within the responses and makes them better, and it would take away from the passion of a formal debate if we wait more than a week for one rebuttal. |
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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 15, 2011 4:30:10 GMT -5
Judge,
I think you should appoint an official starting date for the debate so the moderator can announce it. You suggested that we have our resolves in to you by the end of the month. Please appoint a specific day to start as I feel like we are in limbo.
thanks,
KJ
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Post by simplyforgiven on Jan 16, 2011 22:06:52 GMT -5
Febuary 7th.
First monday of the Month.
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Post by simplyforgiven on Jan 17, 2011 16:29:36 GMT -5
So it this offical Debaters?
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Post by JLVaughn on Jan 17, 2011 16:49:26 GMT -5
So it this offical Debaters? Summary to make sure I understand. Opening Resolve and arguments to be submitted to Dennison on Feb. 7th, 2007. After Dennison posts both resolves, Do 6 times: We post our rebuttals to the other after about 48 hours. Our responses to the others rebuttals about 48 hours later. End We post our closing rebuttal, after another 48 hours. We submit our final summary statements to Dennison for judging about 48 hours after posting our closing rebuttals. If that is the correct understanding, I am fine, and will start immediately. |
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Post by simplyforgiven on Jan 17, 2011 16:51:26 GMT -5
Yes, you got it Sir.
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Post by simplyforgiven on Jan 17, 2011 16:58:57 GMT -5
I will create a thread, where the rules and the procedures and the topic of the debate is about in Feb.
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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 17, 2011 17:09:58 GMT -5
Vaughn said 6 rebuttals. Is this right? I thought we agreed on 7.
Roo
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Post by JLVaughn on Jan 17, 2011 17:31:13 GMT -5
Vaughn said 6 rebuttals. Is this right? I thought we agreed on 7. Roo Roo, I have 7 rebuttals, 6 inside the loop, one after. |
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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 17, 2011 17:49:56 GMT -5
Vaughn said 6 rebuttals. Is this right? I thought we agreed on 7. Roo Roo, I have 7 rebuttals, 6 inside the loop, one after. Okay, I was calling the one after a "closing statement" because it cannot contain any new arguments per the judge's rule. Roo |
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Post by JLVaughn on Jan 17, 2011 18:30:42 GMT -5
Roo, I have 7 rebuttals, 6 inside the loop, one after. Okay, I was calling the one after a "closing statement" because it cannot contain any new arguments per the judge's rule. Roo Roo, Then please post your understanding and we can compare notes |
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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 17, 2011 18:58:40 GMT -5
Jeff wrote:
1. Resolve
2. Seven rebuttals (with up to 20 questions)
3. Closing statement (Summary and Analysis. No new arguments)
Roo
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Post by JLVaughn on Jan 17, 2011 19:44:26 GMT -5
Jeff wrote: 1. Resolve 2. Seven rebuttals (with up to 20 questions) 3. Closing statement (Summary and Analysis. No new arguments) Roo Roo, To be clear, does this mean, 1. Resolve 2 Rebuttal followed by response, for a total of 7 times, 3. Summary by Rebutter, followed by summary by Resolver. Are both of these final summaries to be submitted to the judge? |
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Post by kangaroojack on Jan 17, 2011 21:03:02 GMT -5
1. Resolves
2. Seven rebuttals each and you go first each time.
3. Closing statements (Summary of your own position and/or analysis of opponent's position. No new arguments)
Resolves and closing statements sent to judge to post at the same time with your resolve and cs on top. We post the rebuttals ourselves within 48 hours after opponent's.
The judge said that he will be laying it all out.
Roo
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Post by Once4all on Jan 17, 2011 22:57:35 GMT -5
Since we have a starting date for the debate (7 February), I'd like to post a brief announcement of it, and maybe another one as it gets closer.
Is there a good single topic statement or title for the debate, or should I just use the two resolves? Whichever it is, I'd like it (or them) repeated here for me by Dennison so that I do not grab non-finalized resolves from this discussion.
Allyn set up the debate room with the title "Is Covenant Creation Scriptural?" but as things have been hashed out here, that may not be an accurate title. What should it be?
Also, how do the debaters and the judge want their names listed?
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