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Post by Paul Kelly on Aug 25, 2008 17:41:39 GMT -5
Hi Allyn, No tensions. I have enjoyed the conversation. I hope you will still participate here. Yes, I've enjoyed it too. And no, I'll not be running off anytime soon. I still have much to work through and you've been good company. I'm sorry I don't have any challenging questions for you. except maybe this one. How do you understand this? Daniel 12:13 (NASB) "But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age." How do you understand "the end of the age"? When is or was it? I'm not aware of any translation which renders Dan 12:13 "end of the age". I think most use the phrase "end of the days", and I'd take that to be a reference to the general resurrection of the dead. I have a real problem with any resurrection taking place before then because of 1Thes 4:13-17. I'm not sure this will be of any use to you however due to our differing views on what happens at death. Paul |
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Post by Allyn on Aug 25, 2008 18:19:16 GMT -5
I may have taken a little liberty with that word "age" but since I believe the conclusion of those days are speaking of the end of the age then I see no problem with it.
I fail to see where 1 Thess. 4:13-17 is contrary to a resurrection at the time Jesus said it would happen when He comes with His angels before the death of some of those standing in His presence who would see those things. (Matthew 13:40-41)
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Post by Paul Kelly on Aug 25, 2008 18:32:17 GMT -5
lI may have taken a little liberty with that word "age" but since I believe the conclusion of those days are speaking of the end of the age then I see no problem with it. Ah I see. Okay, no problem. So you'd see Daniel 12:13 as referring to the general resurrection as well? I fail to see where 1 Thess. 4:13-17 is contrary to a resurrection at the time Jesus said it would happen when He comes with His angels before the death of some of those standing in His presence who would see those things. (Matthew 13:40-41) I'm not sure I understand what you've just said. Do you believe that anyone was resurrected (in the permanent sense, not in the sense of either a temporary resurrection or the first resurrection) before Rev 20:5? |
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Post by Allyn on Aug 25, 2008 19:18:16 GMT -5
The thousand years ended at the coming of Christ. The resurrection of the dead in and out side of Christ happened at His second coming.
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Post by Paul Kelly on Aug 25, 2008 19:21:49 GMT -5
The thousand years ended at the coming of Christ. The resurrection of the dead in and out side of Christ happened at His second coming. Yes, I'd agree with that. So I'm not sure where our disagreement is. |
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Post by Allyn on Aug 25, 2008 20:05:10 GMT -5
Maybe I should have asked, then Paul, what you were meaning then by this:
You seemed to tie this to my answer concerning your Thess. reference.
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Post by Paul Kelly on Aug 26, 2008 5:01:21 GMT -5
Maybe I should have asked, then Paul, what you were meaning then by this: You seemed to tie this to my answer concerning your Thess. reference. The 1Thes 4:15-17 reference was simply to point out that the resurrection takes place around the time of Christ's "presence". I was simply making the point that I don't see the resurrection as happening before that (apart from the first resurrection naturally). Some see a resurrection right after Christ's ascension. I do not. Some see a resurrection at the start of the tribulation. I do not. I was simply asking whether you did or not. As far as I can discern, you've answered in the negative. |
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